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Old October 28 2012, 01:13 AM   #1
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Original Lord of the Rings films?

I watched a trailer for The Hobbit when I saw Dredd today and it made me a little sad to realize that this wonderful, rich universe is soon coming to an end. Two more films and then never again will we see a hobbit. Well, why? Why does it have to end here?

So I've been thinking. What about continuing the franchise with completely original films set in the LOTR universe? We could have a film that chronicles the adventures of King Aragorn as he seeks to repair a broken and hostile land after the destruction wrought by Sauron or another trilogy following the adventures of Tyrande the elf as she finds herself in the middle of an Elvish civil war. Who the hell is Tyrande? Exactly.

I imagine that this won't be a very popular idea, but I think it would be fantastic. We have the books for the original, unaltered storyline whenever we want, so why not let the adaptation, well, adapt it?
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Old October 28 2012, 01:18 AM   #2
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Re: Original Lord of the Rings films?

You may want to check out some fan made films.
Here are links to 2 of them
http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/
and
http://www.bornofhope.com/
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Old October 28 2012, 01:32 AM   #3
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Re: Original Lord of the Rings films?

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Who the hell is Tyrande?
Glad you asked. And there's actually a decent chance of that Tyrande appearing on the silver screen, since they're making a Warcraft movie.

I don't know. Sure, I love the LOTR films and I am eagerly awaiting the first Hobbit film. And I could see a good argument for a film about Beren and Luthien or in the unlikely event the rights were got for the Silmarillion or Children of Hurin, however unlikely that is or whatever issues there would be in adaption.

But at a certain point past that.. well, what is the point? When we start talking about Tyrande the elf, then we may as well just start talking about one of the nine billion franchises in literature and gaming that have taken extensive 'inspiration' from Tolkein's opus and give them films too (like, again, the Warcraft movie. Or that Shannara TV series. Or whatever.) It has all the benefits of 'more stories about elves and dwarves!' without any issues as to whether or not these additional stories seem redundant with regards to LOTR.
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Old October 28 2012, 01:53 AM   #4
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Re: Original Lord of the Rings films?

I'd concur - there are some parts of Silmarillion you could use as standalone stories -- B&L are an obvious choice but Túrin might work too - or even Fëanor. No need to come up with totally new things and set it in some corner of Middle-Earth.

Aragorn's time in Gondor and Rohan is a possibility, and maybe even the War of the Dwarves and the Orcs.
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Old October 28 2012, 02:04 AM   #5
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Old October 28 2012, 02:12 AM   #6
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Re: Original Lord of the Rings films?

Kelthaz wrote: View Post
So I've been thinking. What about continuing the franchise with completely original films set in the LOTR universe?
I would actually be interested in that. I'm not sure if New Line's deal with Tolkien Enterprises would allow them to do that, however.

What would really interest me would be something that started from the two chapters Tolkien wrote of "The New Shadow," his unfinished sequel to The Lord of the Rings. However, a CJRT who isn't willing to sell the movie rights to The Silmarillion probably isn't going to sell the movie rights to "The New Shadow."

Almost as interesting would be if New Line picked up the rights for an adaptation of Nick Perumov's Ring of Darkness trilogy, an unauthorized Russian sequel to The Lord of the Rings. Uniquely among the Russian expansions of Middle-Earth, Perumov's work isn't revisionist (from what I understand). It would certainly pose an interesting legal question -- if you have the rights of adaptation to The Lord of the Rings, would those rights extend to cover an unauthorized sequel? In other words, would Tolkien Enterprises' legal rights to LOTR adaptations protect New Line from a legal challenge by the Tolkien estate over the unauthorized sequel? It's an interesting question.
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Old October 28 2012, 02:14 AM   #7
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Re: Original Lord of the Rings films?

Tolkien did attempt a sequel book at one point, but abandoned it as basically being "too mundane" with the race of man being ascendant in the fourth age. The plot was something about men fighting witches if I recall.
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Old October 28 2012, 03:54 AM   #8
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Lord Of The Rings: The Phantom Menace.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Old October 28 2012, 05:47 AM   #9
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Better than Lord of the Rings 2: Electric Boogaloo!
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Old October 28 2012, 05:57 AM   #10
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Re: Original Lord of the Rings films?

Or Lord of the Rings: The Next Generation...
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Old October 28 2012, 06:30 AM   #11
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I'd still love to see a movie about Aragorn in his youth. Learning of his heritage, meeting Arwen for the first time, serving King Thengel of Rohan and Steward Ecthelion of Gondor, battling the Corsairs of Umbar, and hunting down Gollum after he escaped from Mordor and taking him to the Elves in Mirkwood. That could be fun.

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Old October 28 2012, 06:48 AM   #12
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I could see that working. It would give us a more direct connection the LOTR movies than some of the other stuff mentioned in the thread, which would be a big plus when it comes to attracting an audience.
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Old October 28 2012, 06:57 AM   #13
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Agreed. I think the biggest issue with the idea right now (at least with the way I described it) is it seems more like a series of episodes instead of a cohesive narrative. But I'm sure any professional screenwriter worth his or her salt could come up with something to tie it all together.
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Old October 28 2012, 04:52 PM   #14
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Re: Original Lord of the Rings films?

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Or Lord of the Rings: The Next Generation...
An unwelcome continuation of the original canon that resulted in two of the greatest science fiction shows ever made (and one decent show) and a rich 24th century Star Trek universe? I'm willing to risk a Phantom Menace if it means we may get a TNG.

I understand that this idea seems like a series of episodes, but doesn't The Hobbit have the same feel? It's an unnecessary prequel starring a minor character that never would have been deemed important enough for a film (let alone three!) if The Hobbit wasn't already a novel. But despite that, the films are most likely going to be fantastic and rake in billions at the box office.
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Old October 28 2012, 05:26 PM   #15
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...if The Hobbit wasn't already a novel.
Oh, you're really cheating the argument by slipping that little caveat in there.

We were reading The Hobbit when I was in grade school, before LOTR took my generation by storm (there was no authorized inexpensive edition of the trilogy widely available in this country in those days that I know of). The book would probably have been made and remade as movies by this time, if LOTR hadn't followed it.
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