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Old October 27 2012, 06:53 PM   #31
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Re: Mockingbird Lane - It didn't suck!

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The original Herman had the distinctive look of Universal's Frankenstein Monster. Making the Herman actor look more like that might help.
Herman had a throwaway line that I think was rather important. He didn't want to replace his heart because it was his "last original part". I took that to mean his various body parts had been replaced over ther years one by one. He might very well have begun his "life" looking exactly like the Frankenstein Monster, but was updated through the centuries. It gives a rational logic to his very contemporary look today.
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Old October 27 2012, 07:00 PM   #32
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Personally, I think it could do well with one of those 6-episode deals. I doubt you could sustain what was in the pilot for 22 or 13 eps, but it shouldn't be that hard to make it work for five more shows.
U.S. network TV doesn't do six-episode shows. At least not intentionally.
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Old October 27 2012, 07:02 PM   #33
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About Herman; maybe something more along the lines of "Young Frankenstein", maybe not bolts in the neck and all, but a more human looking Munster/monster, Yet still with enough presence to pull off the whole "this guys not quite normal" vibe?
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Old October 27 2012, 07:03 PM   #34
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The original Herman had the distinctive look of Universal's Frankenstein Monster. Making the Herman actor look more like that might help.
Herman had a throwaway line that I think was rather important. He didn't want to replace his heart because it was his "last original part". I took that to mean his various body parts had been replaced over ther years one by one. He might very well have begun his "life" looking exactly like the Frankenstein Monster, but was updated through the centuries. It gives a rational logic to his very contemporary look today.
That makes perfect sense.

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Personally, I think it could do well with one of those 6-episode deals. I doubt you could sustain what was in the pilot for 22 or 13 eps, but it shouldn't be that hard to make it work for five more shows.
U.S. network TV doesn't do six-episode shows. At least not intentionally.
Ashley Judd's "Missing" was six episodes. Seemed pretty intentional to me.

Ages ago CBS gave the original "Police Squad" six episodes, as well as Norman Lear's "704 Houser Street." Obviously, it's not a common occurrence, but it's not unheard of.
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Old October 27 2012, 07:23 PM   #35
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U.S. network TV doesn't do six-episode shows. At least not intentionally.
Ashley Judd's "Missing" was six episodes. Seemed pretty intentional to me.
Nope. It was intended as an ongoing series. After it was cancelled, Judd's people retroactively decreed it a mini-series so she could get nominated in the 'best actress in a minseries or movie' Emmy category.

Ages ago CBS gave the original "Police Squad" six episodes, as well as Norman Lear's "704 Houser Street." Obviously, it's not a common occurrence, but it's not unheard of.
Neither "Police Squad" (which was actually on ABC, BTW) or "Houser Street" were intended as anything other than ongoing series. They both got six episodes (actually, "Houser" only got five) simply because that is how long the networks decided to wait before cancelling them due to low ratings. In fact, in the case of "Houser," the network didn't even bother to air all the episodes filmed.
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Old October 27 2012, 08:00 PM   #36
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Fantastic. I loved every minute.
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Old October 27 2012, 08:01 PM   #37
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Network TV in the U.S. used to do lots of 6 episode stuff. You just mentioned it, "mini-series". Some of them even got sequels. The best example that comes to mind is "North and South". It got what, 2 sequels?
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Old October 27 2012, 08:09 PM   #38
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Yeah, they USED to do it. They don't anymore. In fact, I suspect it's no longer cost effective. Unlike the 1970s or 80s the audiences are too fragmented by cable, etc., to get the big viewership that justifies the budget and, further, too many people would DVR it and FF through the commercials. They don't do very many (if any) "made for TV" movies any more either.
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Old October 27 2012, 08:21 PM   #39
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I liked it a lot, it's not as goofy as the original, but (knowing Fuller's previous shows) I thought it showed potential for a series.

And the first ratings are in:
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...shabby/154934/

Can anyone interpret them? Are they good/bad, is there any chance that it will get picked up?
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Old October 27 2012, 08:27 PM   #40
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You liked it a lot more than I did, then. I didn't hate it, even kind of liked it, but I can't see watching it again, especially when you've got so many other classics to watch on any given Halloween.
I devote the entire month of October to Halloween movies so I could easily fit this in.
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Old October 27 2012, 08:50 PM   #41
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Just for clarification. Is this not going to be a series and is this all we'll get?
Fuller called it a "backdoor pilot." In other words, it's a pilot that didn't get picked up for series and, barring some extraordinary circumstance, won't. In the old days, failed pilots used to get shown in the summer months as an anthology series kind of thing. That doesn't happen any more.
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Old October 27 2012, 09:11 PM   #42
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I liked it a lot, it's not as goofy as the original, but (knowing Fuller's previous shows) I thought it showed potential for a series.

And the first ratings are in:
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...shabby/154934/

Can anyone interpret them? Are they good/bad, is there any chance that it will get picked up?
Decent but, given the high budget and the fact that ratings tend to drop after the first ep of a series, unlikely to move the network to greenlight. At best (and I think still unlikely), it might convince them to go back to the drawing board for a more 'family friendly,' less effects laden, half-hour sitcom.
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Old October 27 2012, 09:26 PM   #43
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It came in third in its time slot behind an NCIS rerun.

Yeah, it's done.
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Old October 27 2012, 09:48 PM   #44
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It came in third in its time slot behind an NCIS rerun.
To be fair, I think it did pretty good with the 18-49 demo (NCIS skews old, as we all know). But even so, that's probably not enough to save it.
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Old October 27 2012, 11:37 PM   #45
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Actually, looking that numbers again. It did no better in the 18-49 demo than "Dateline NBC" and "Blue Bloods," two shows that skew pretty damn old.

If NBC can get the same ratings with (the very cheap) Dateline as with a big budget genre show, it's pretty damn unlikely they'd take a chance on this.
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