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Old October 28 2012, 10:17 PM   #31
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Re: Was it ever stated officially why Harry was an Ensign for 7 years?

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But what about all the old fat people in the TOS movies, they couldn't do sit ups.
Ah, but that's what they have age brackets for. At Kirk's age, he probably had to manage like...ten or so sit-ups to pass. Also, he probably would have had what they call a "profile" in the Army today - he's too old and broke, so the doctor would excuse him from certain events. Like, for instance, in my experience, I have met very few people over the age of 40 or so in the Army that still have to run for their test (they do a 2.5 mile speed walk instead.) This is because all those years of running has pretty much made their knees completely shot. And poor Harry, being a young whippersnapper in his 20s during the show would have been in the most difficult age bracket to pass the test.
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Old October 28 2012, 11:48 PM   #32
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In To Tuvok with love.. I mean Learning Curve... Tuvok was taking the Maquis for laps after turning the gravity up.
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Old October 30 2012, 09:58 AM   #33
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Re: Was it ever stated officially why Harry was an Ensign for 7 years?

So long as an ensign, maybe he annoyed Janeway?

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Old October 30 2012, 02:05 PM   #34
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Re: Was it ever stated officially why Harry was an Ensign for 7 years?

In Author, Author, Kim's mother asks why he hasn't been promoted, he hastily says there aren't many positions to be promoted to. She then threatens to speak to Janeway. Part of the humor is supposed to be that Mama Kim doesn't understand and the rest is supposed to be that she's going to baby Baby Kim anyhow. I'd say this was an official explanation.

Another way to put it is to say that Tuvok was plainly promoted in order to put him third in line. Paris was not strictly speaking promoted. The only sense in which Kim was passed over is in suggesting he could have been promoted over Paris, after Paris was demoted. But, the Kim character was introduced as a sidekick to Paris, so that wasn't going to happen. Also, speaking as an adult, a Wang promoted over a McNiell?

What I've never quite got from these recurring threads is why anyone actually thinks about Kim's promotions or lack of them? Most people like Paris and dislike Kim, which pretty much explains why the writers didn't care to write much for the character, including character promotion.

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Old October 30 2012, 05:27 PM   #35
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Also, speaking as an adult, a Wang promoted over a McKneel?
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Old October 31 2012, 01:05 AM   #36
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Yeah, I've never gotten why it keeps coming up either. Even aside from people disliking Kim, there were more ensigns on that ship, and none of them were promoted. It jst makes sense, why would you make everyone a commander, when they're all just going to be floating around in lost.

Maybe its new people finding out about the forever ensign joke and they think it's actually a weird thing?
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Old October 31 2012, 01:22 AM   #37
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Yeah, I've never gotten why it keeps coming up either. Even aside from people disliking Kim, there were more ensigns on that ship, and none of them were promoted. It jst makes sense, why would you make everyone a commander, when they're all just going to be floating around in lost.

Maybe its new people finding out about the forever ensign joke and they think it's actually a weird thing?
The TOS/TNG crews ended up with everyone a commander. I'm glad DS9 and VOY avoided that.
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Old October 31 2012, 01:46 AM   #38
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Velcro has no place in the build up to an authentic historical experience.
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Do you want photos?

Well you can't have them.
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Old October 31 2012, 11:02 PM   #39
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Old October 31 2012, 11:44 PM   #40
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There's better cosplay to hold out for than the miaadventures from Jane Austin Land.

Give me a broad dressed up as Betty Rubble any day.

Yes, even Rosie O'Donnel.

What a wonderfully barely rectangular woman.
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Old November 1 2012, 12:01 AM   #41
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Re: Was it ever stated officially why Harry was an Ensign for 7 years?

Playing at Jane Austen always seemed very dull to me but every other female friend I've had has been smitten with the idea. Not enough swash and buckle. Too much tea.
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Old November 1 2012, 12:08 AM   #42
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Tea, and tea parties and mad tea parties are now part of Johnny Depps sexy wheelhouse.
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Old November 1 2012, 12:42 AM   #43
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Whimsy is even worse than Austen tea parties.

Yes I know we are all supposed to love whimsy but it's always irritated the crap out of me.

Janeway's holodeck choices very much suited her, she's quite traditional and even a little stuffy, as well as enjoying her history. If it was me I'd like my fantasies to be real fantasies of worlds that don't actually exist, I'd like to go to Barsoom or similar.

Now if you steampunk Austen, bronze borgifying her, it at least has the potential of surprise. Silurians in hoop skirts etc.. Whereas exacting historical recreations are celebrations of the mundane and there will never be anything fascinatingly new.
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Old November 1 2012, 01:53 AM   #44
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They exist in a fantastic environment.

this crew doesn't have the imagination to contrive a more fantastic environment.

So they go the other way.

As impossibly dull as possible.

At least when Pulaski drank tea there was a 50/50 chance that she would be committing suicide.
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Old November 1 2012, 02:31 AM   #45
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They also like the challenge of limitations. Constricting social mores, constricting clothes, lack of tech.

Like how people today actually enjoy camping.
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