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What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
For full article: http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/10/22/wa...ach-broadcast/
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
I totally agree with the fact that the networks need to be braver than they are now, but they need to execute their ideas better, otherwise we get stuff like Last Resort, where we can't care about anyone because we barely got to know them before shit went down and the stuff they're doing only matters if we care about characters.
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Rear Admiral
Location: Ireland.
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
Homeland's easily the best TV show I'm currently watching and it's also by far the most shameless when it comes to laying on cliffhangers (but also the best at it). I think there's something to be said for the more slower based, absorbing, novelistic serialization that other cable dramas do too, but either way it's just a great way to get lost in a TV series.
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Fleet Admiral
Location: Tatoinne
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
But even basic cable viewers garner some % of subscription revenue, plus they also pay their way by watching ads. Subscriptions are more lucrative than ads, as something to base your business on. If you go the ad-based route, you have to make it up in volume. It's hard to get a large volume of viewers unless you appeal to the lowest common denominator by such things as simplistic plotting, cliched characterization, and episodic structure. There are plenty of viewers who don't want the bother of having to follow an ongoing plotline. They want to be able to skip a week or two and not be lost. And of course there's the budget issue, which makes cheap reality TV so attractive to broadcast. The moral of the story is, people will cater to your specific tastes if you make them worth their while to do so. Subscribing to premium cable gets you what you want; watching broadcast ads, not so much. |
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
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Fleet Admiral
Location: Tatoinne
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
The other big success for new fall shows is Elementary - squarely a CBS type of show, in the ever-popular quirky detective genre. So isn't that evidence that broadcast should stick to what's worked in the past, just do a better job of it with a good quality presentation? I remember when that show was announced, the howls of derision at the crass CBS-ness of it all, complete with making Watson a female so you could have gender balance, if not sexual tension (heterosexual of course). Report card for the season so far. The other winners so far include a couple of pretty traditional looking sitcoms and Vegas, which is a risk only by CBS standards - it's a cop show set in the 60s rather than modern day. And even though it's way down the list, CW's Arrow is a hit - a youth-skewing superhero show, not exactly a big departure for them. It's a risk by CW standards only by moving more towards the young-male market. So it looks to me like the moral of the story is, Do What Works for You, Just Do It a Little Better. Unless you're NBC, then you need to find out what works in the first place. |
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The Imperious Leader
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
Cable Networks are pushing bounds but only slightly. The Networks that really have freedom are the ones you pay for independently of the others, channels like HBO and Showtime. The reason being is that you don't have to have them, they are an option. You don't want your kids watch Game of Thrones, don't get HBO.
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Fleet Captain
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
I've noticed over the last 12 yeasr or so my interest waning in tv programs. At first I thought it was just me but I've come to the conclusion they just aren't worth a crap these days--weak writing, recycled storylines, formulaic storytelling, poor casting, bland characters that 9/10 are merely plot devices and convoluted arc based storytelling that just implodes. These new writers just don't have the knack that previous generation(s) of earlier writers had--dialog, plotlines, character development etc. It is either cookie cutter procedurals, cookie cutter hospital/legal dramas, reality dreck, resurrected tv shows where the new writers miss what made the original endearing or in the sff genre we get this mythology messes every year since LOST debuted in 2004 and ultimately give the genre a bad name. I gave up my cable service since I couldn't find a thing to watch. So I realized I was just wasting money. I have been using Netflix and rewatching older tv series that I've seen before but I actually enjoy them now more than I ever did any of the new programs over the last several years. What tv in general needs so desperately is quality--which is noticeably absent. Writers that are mature enough and creative enough to tell entertaining stories with compelling characters. Flashy effects, explosions, tons of action, frenetic pacing, flashbacks, massive casts, bloated interconnected epic mysteries just don't cut it for me. Also the critically acclaimed shows to me are nearly unwatchable as well--they are too slow and glacial in their pacing, they come off as highly pretentious, the characters are mostly unlikeable and a lot of them share similiar themes regarding "how far will humanity go". Or like True Blood and Game of Thrones they try to service too many characters and relies too much on "in your face" violence/gory and soft porn. And for some reason that has become equated with brave storytelling or bold television. Simple is best--modest ensemble not a sprawling cast, linear season arcs not a million questions tied into a limited premise--something akin to DS9's Final Chapter or the original Dallas or Hill Street Blues. Last edited by degra; October 25 2012 at 07:33 AM. |
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Rear Admiral
Location: Ireland.
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
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Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Includes purchasing links for Only Superhuman, on sale now! Updated 12/30/12 with annotations for the novel. Written Worlds -- My blog |
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Rear Admiral
Location: Ireland.
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
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'Spock is always right, even when he's wrong. It's the tone of voice, the supernatural reasonability; this is not a man like us; this is a god.' - Philip K. Dick Last edited by Kegg; October 25 2012 at 06:23 PM. |
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Fleet Admiral
Location: Tatoinne
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
You can't ask broadcast to compete with cable because they lack the advantage that cable has, of being able to get by with smaller audiences. Shortening the season length isn't going to change the need to appeal to mass audiences. Awake for instance was 13 episodes, and although it was a good show, it just didn't have mass audience appeal and failed in the ratings. And despite being 13 episodes, they did use some cop-show filler material to pad it out, so a shorter season doesn't guarantee no filler either. |
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
TV now is just so wretched I'd settle for just mindless entertainment if it was as satisfying as the original Dallas--that was all I was suggesting--but I honestly don't see that happening anytime soon. Boring or awright awful crap seems to be all the rage these days. |
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Rear Admiral
Location: Ireland.
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Re: What Broadcast can learn from Cable TV
Whether or not the shows have limited premises or even enormous casts of characters also vary, to be honest. Some series actually broaden the scope of their premise on a yearly basis (The Wire) and others have so few characters that matter I can almost feel like I can name them on one hand (Breaking Bad); although it's true most of these shows beffiting their serialized nature can have a sprawling cast of recurring characters.
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