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Old October 20 2012, 02:38 AM   #1
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Gul Dukat/Gul Macet

I don't know if this has ever been asked, but why wasn't Gul Dukat, the Gul Macet character during DS9? It seems like such an easy and logical, so to speak, thing to do. Was this another Tom Paris/ Nicholas Locarno situation?

oops. I posted this in the wrong section. Can this be moved please??
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Old October 20 2012, 02:42 AM   #2
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Re: Gul Dukat/Gul Macet

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I don't know if this has ever been asked, but why wasn't Gul Dukat, the Gul Macet character during DS9? It seems like such an easy and logical, so to speak, thing to do. Was this another Tom Paris/ Nicholas Locarno situation?

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I'd guess they wanted the main antagonist to be the Prefect of Bajor. Macet very well couldn't do that being he's already established as a captain on the Federation border.
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Old October 20 2012, 03:28 AM   #3
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Re: Gul Dukat/Gul Macet

Moving this to DS9, down the hall. Too bad this isn't one of the movies, though.
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Old October 20 2012, 03:32 AM   #4
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Re: Gul Dukat/Gul Macet

Should Letek or Bractor been on DS9 instead of Quark?
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Old October 20 2012, 03:33 AM   #5
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Why would it be "easy and logical"? There's really no reason for Dukat to be Macet other than Marc Alaimo played both of them.
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Old October 20 2012, 07:43 AM   #6
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Didn't they say in one of the books that Macet and Dukat were cousins?
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Old October 20 2012, 09:38 AM   #7
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Re: Gul Dukat/Gul Macet

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Didn't they say in one of the books that Macet and Dukat were cousins?
Suspiciously identical cousins, yes. But Macet was actually a good guy for a Cardassian, who grew out the only beard we've ever seen on a Cardassian deliberately to distinguish himself from Dukat, of whom he was no fan.

If I recall, Dukat was not originally supposed to be performed by Marc Alaimo. But when they decided the guy they originally hired was no good, they brought in the first guy who ever played a Cardassian because they knew he could do it.

So it's kind of a Letek-Quark situation crossed with a Bujold-Janeway situation.

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Old October 20 2012, 10:08 AM   #8
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Bloody Cardies all look alike to me.
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Old October 20 2012, 02:56 PM   #9
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Well, everybody has a doppelgänger out there. Macet and Dukat wouldn't have to be related to look alike.
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Old October 20 2012, 05:14 PM   #10
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Well, everybody has a doppelgänger out there. Macet and Dukat wouldn't have to be related to look alike.
Especially in the Trek universe, considering the way actors play multiple roles, a fact that's often lampshaded in the novel-verse.

So Dukat and Macet didn't really need to be related, but it makes Macet's character in the novels a lot more interesting if they are.
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Old October 21 2012, 04:51 AM   #11
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The Dukat/Macet thing is the same as the Romulan Commander/Sarek thing. Just bringing back a great actor.
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Old October 21 2012, 11:24 AM   #12
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It probably came down to money. Like Nick Locarno being renamed Tom Paris for Voyager, Macet was likely renamed Dukat to avoid having to pay royalties to the writer of "The Wounded" every time the character appeared on Deep Space Nine.
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Old October 21 2012, 04:50 PM   #13
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It probably came down to money. Like Nick Locarno being renamed Tom Paris for Voyager, Macet was likely renamed Dukat to avoid having to pay royalties to the writer of "The Wounded" every time the character appeared on Deep Space Nine.
I wonder if the writer of Reunion got a check every time Gowron showed up later in TNG and on DS9.
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Old October 21 2012, 05:33 PM   #14
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It probably came down to money. Like Nick Locarno being renamed Tom Paris for Voyager, Macet was likely renamed Dukat to avoid having to pay royalties to the writer of "The Wounded" every time the character appeared on Deep Space Nine.
I'm not so sure. If you look at Paris and Locarno, the appearance, speech, and mannerisms are all identical between the two characters, even the backstories. If you look at Macet and Dukat, though, their appearances do differ somewhat, and their speech and mannerisms (despite being played by the same actor) do differ pretty significantly.

Macet does not display any of the arrogance Dukat does; he's in a bad position and having to cover for his government's duplicity, yes, but he only shows anger as a result of Picard's incompetence in dealing with the situation--and even then, you can see him remove himself from the bridge at one point to keep from exploding any further...an act of restraint Dukat wouldn't have had in him. Macet speaks much more softly most of the time and when it comes to body language, you don't see him parade around and invade people's space the way Dukat does. Rather, Macet has more of a direct, military-march sort of mannerism that comes off as strong but not as posturing.
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Old October 22 2012, 05:53 AM   #15
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It probably came down to money. Like Nick Locarno being renamed Tom Paris for Voyager, Macet was likely renamed Dukat to avoid having to pay royalties to the writer of "The Wounded" every time the character appeared on Deep Space Nine.
I'm not so sure. If you look at Paris and Locarno, the appearance, speech, and mannerisms are all identical between the two characters, even the backstories. If you look at Macet and Dukat, though, their appearances do differ somewhat, and their speech and mannerisms (despite being played by the same actor) do differ pretty significantly.

Macet does not display any of the arrogance Dukat does; he's in a bad position and having to cover for his government's duplicity, yes, but he only shows anger as a result of Picard's incompetence in dealing with the situation--and even then, you can see him remove himself from the bridge at one point to keep from exploding any further...an act of restraint Dukat wouldn't have had in him. Macet speaks much more softly most of the time and when it comes to body language, you don't see him parade around and invade people's space the way Dukat does. Rather, Macet has more of a direct, military-march sort of mannerism that comes off as strong but not as posturing.
Since Dukat was probably pretty established in the script before Marc was cast, I highly doubt anyone considered making them the same character.

The only time I know that merging two character played by the same actor came up were the Romulans Carolyn Seymour played in "Contagion" and "Face of the Enemy". (Apparently they were kept separate because producers mistakenly believed she'd been killed off in "Contagion").
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