The Borg in JJverse

los2188 · October 18 2012, 11:44 PM

I happened to be looking at some old Star Trek trailers and I came upon one of my favourite trailers First Contact and it made me to start thinking, which is a very dangerous thing of course.

I would agree with most everyone, presumably, that the Borg has been used way too much in TNG/Voyager era, but......but...can any of you see the Borg being used in any way in the JJ-Verse? I mean would there be an appropriate or good way to use them that wouldn't be boring or seen as just over used? If so...how would you bring them back??

King Daniel Into Darkness · October 18 2012, 11:59 PM

A very different kind of Borg (although never referred to by name, as in ENT: "Regeneration") already appeared in the prequel novel Starfleet Academy: The Delta Anomaly. It was some kind of advanced scout hiding out in San Fransisco, and made some very interesting use of it's nanotechnology.

As for bringing the Borg back to film, I'd love to see what CG and a big budget could do. No longer would the Borg be guys in rubber suits and make-up, but using CG, body parts could be replaced or removed. Imagine a Borg drone without a bottom jaw, with moving machinery inside his torso, stick thin atrophied limbs skewered with machine parts. Steampunk zombies.

As for why they would be interested in the Alpha Quadrant "early".... maybe long-range Borg sensors detected the temporal distortions upon Nero or Spock's arrivals. Or maybe Narada's Borg-derived technology (see: Countdown) sent out a homing signal. Any excuse could be made, or extrapolated by fans.

teacake · October 19 2012, 12:06 AM

In the past I've said enough already, lets have something new. But thinking on it the Borg are one of my favorite villains, I never got bored with them like I did the Klingons. kingDaniel's point about looking better (and scarier) is a good one. I'd like to see them again.

Dream · October 19 2012, 12:10 AM

I'm done with the Borg. Way too overused.

I'll still enjoy the early episodes they were in, but I sure as hell won't pay to see a movie with them again.

teacake · October 19 2012, 12:12 AM

I still get the chills when a cube appears and we hear their announcement.

Nerys Myk · October 19 2012, 02:28 AM

teacock wrote:

I still get the chills when a cube appears and we hear their announcement.

"All your base are belong to us"?

teacake · October 19 2012, 02:31 AM

:: slaps the cheerleader ::

No assimilation for YOU!

Dream · October 19 2012, 02:32 AM

teacock wrote:

:: slaps the cheerleader ::

No assimilation for YOU!

I don't think zombies can be assimilated!

teacake · October 19 2012, 02:34 AM

Oh I'm sure they have a few spare parts worth stashing away.

Nerys Myk · October 19 2012, 02:37 AM

As a zombie I'm halfway to being a Borg anyway.

T'Girl · October 19 2012, 04:01 AM

teacock wrote:

I still get the chills when a cube appears and we hear their announcement.

Hello, we're from Amway, do you have a few minutes?

DonIago · October 19 2012, 04:19 AM

I'd both be curious to see a portrayal of the Borg in the alternate timeline and dread it.

Above all I feel we'd need a compelling reason for their appearance, and I'm hard-pressed to imagine what that would be.

teacake · October 19 2012, 08:07 AM

DonIago wrote:

Above all I feel we'd need a compelling reason for their appearance, and I'm hard-pressed to imagine what that would be.

And there's the rub.

Hopefully everything has a compelling reason and doesn't just get shoehorned into NuTrek.

Temis the Vorta · October 19 2012, 06:33 PM

If they're going to bring back the Borg, they need to be treated with respect. If they're supposed to be so fearsome, the writing needs to validate that idea, not undercut it.

Starfleet cannot be allowed to beat them except under very unusual circumstances, ie, the writers come up with a way for Starfleet to be astonishingly clever about it. And even then, this should happen rarely.

And assimilation is P E R M A M E N T. No more go-backs, no wiggle room. Allowing characters to be de-Borged just because they are main characters really undercuts the Borg's credibility.

And NO QUEEN!

Yeah that just about covers it.

Dream · October 19 2012, 06:37 PM

I always saw the Borg as being so dangerous that every single species in the galaxy needed unite in order defeat them once and for all. Too bad TNG and VOY never really did any kind of story like that.

October 18 2012, 11:44 PM	#1
los2188 Commander Location: North Carolina	The Borg in JJverse I happened to be looking at some old Star Trek trailers and I came upon one of my favourite trailers First Contact and it made me to start thinking, which is a very dangerous thing of course. I would agree with most everyone, presumably, that the Borg has been used way too much in TNG/Voyager era, but......but...can any of you see the Borg being used in any way in the JJ-Verse? I mean would there be an appropriate or good way to use them that wouldn't be boring or seen as just over used? If so...how would you bring them back?? __________________ Darling, you remain as aesthetically pleasing as the first day we met. I believe I am the most fortunate sentient in this sector of the galaxy.

October 18 2012, 11:59 PM	#2
King Daniel Into Darkness Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: The Borg in JJverse A very different kind of Borg (although never referred to by name, as in ENT: "Regeneration") already appeared in the prequel novel Starfleet Academy: The Delta Anomaly. It was some kind of advanced scout hiding out in San Fransisco, and made some very interesting use of it's nanotechnology. As for bringing the Borg back to film, I'd love to see what CG and a big budget could do. No longer would the Borg be guys in rubber suits and make-up, but using CG, body parts could be replaced or removed. Imagine a Borg drone without a bottom jaw, with moving machinery inside his torso, stick thin atrophied limbs skewered with machine parts. Steampunk zombies. As for why they would be interested in the Alpha Quadrant "early".... maybe long-range Borg sensors detected the temporal distortions upon Nero or Spock's arrivals. Or maybe Narada's Borg-derived technology (see: Countdown) sent out a homing signal. Any excuse could be made, or extrapolated by fans. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

October 19 2012, 12:06 AM	#3
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: The Borg in JJverse In the past I've said enough already, lets have something new. But thinking on it the Borg are one of my favorite villains, I never got bored with them like I did the Klingons. kingDaniel's point about looking better (and scarier) is a good one. I'd like to see them again. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

October 19 2012, 12:10 AM	#4
Dream Admiral	Re: The Borg in JJverse I'm done with the Borg. Way too overused. I'll still enjoy the early episodes they were in, but I sure as hell won't pay to see a movie with them again. __________________ TWoP Forums .

October 19 2012, 12:12 AM	#5
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: The Borg in JJverse I still get the chills when a cube appears and we hear their announcement. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

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October 19 2012, 02:31 AM	#7
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: The Borg in JJverse :: slaps the cheerleader :: No assimilation for YOU! __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

October 19 2012, 02:34 AM	#9
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: The Borg in JJverse Oh I'm sure they have a few spare parts worth stashing away. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

October 19 2012, 02:37 AM	#10
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: The Borg in JJverse As a zombie I'm halfway to being a Borg anyway. __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

October 19 2012, 04:19 AM	#12
DonIago Rear Admiral Location: Burlington, VT, USA	Re: The Borg in JJverse I'd both be curious to see a portrayal of the Borg in the alternate timeline and dread it. Above all I feel we'd need a compelling reason for their appearance, and I'm hard-pressed to imagine what that would be. __________________ --DonIago It was the best of Trek, it was the worst of Trek... "If I lean over, I leave myself open to wedgies, wet willies, or even the dreaded Rear Admiral!"

October 19 2012, 06:33 PM	#14
Temis the Vorta Fleet Admiral Location: Tatoinne	Re: The Borg in JJverse If they're going to bring back the Borg, they need to be treated with respect. If they're supposed to be so fearsome, the writing needs to validate that idea, not undercut it. Starfleet cannot be allowed to beat them except under very unusual circumstances, ie, the writers come up with a way for Starfleet to be astonishingly clever about it. And even then, this should happen rarely. And assimilation is P E R M A M E N T. No more go-backs, no wiggle room. Allowing characters to be de-Borged just because they are main characters really undercuts the Borg's credibility. And NO QUEEN! Yeah that just about covers it.

October 19 2012, 06:37 PM	#15
Dream Admiral	Re: The Borg in JJverse I always saw the Borg as being so dangerous that every single species in the galaxy needed unite in order defeat them once and for all. Too bad TNG and VOY never really did any kind of story like that. __________________ TWoP Forums .