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Old October 14 2012, 06:05 PM   #16
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Re: How can any decent person be a SW stormtrooper fan?

All the stormtroopers they worship belonged to Pelly's Empire and the Felpire. They just don't know it.
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Old October 14 2012, 06:12 PM   #17
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Old October 14 2012, 06:18 PM   #18
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Re: How can any decent person be a SW stormtrooper fan?

Temis the Friendly Ghost wrote: View Post
The only thing I hate about the Stormtroopers is the thought that they're all clones. I'm much happier with the notion that by the time of ANH, they were all just hapless recruits from various parts of the galaxy.
Indeed. IIRC, most of the veteran Clone Troopers who remain (i.e. those created from Jango Fett) are thoroughly disgusted at the "new guys" whom they view as incompetent. This is supported by what we actually see in the OT - the Storm Troopers are portrayed as almost comically inept.
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Old October 14 2012, 06:18 PM   #19
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Too much font, not enough sexy.
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Old October 14 2012, 06:20 PM   #20
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I am simply amazed (and not in a good way) how cavalier you all are being. Lucas explicitly modeled the Imperial Forces after a cartoonized version of Nazism.

The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.

"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.
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Old October 14 2012, 06:22 PM   #21
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Re: How can any decent person be a SW stormtrooper fan?

^ No one here is being a "fan" of evil. Get over it.

Just because you might dress up as a character you see in a movie, or even kind of 'root' for them, doesn't mean you are completely in favor of what they represent or that you are part of the "real life" group they are modelled on. You don't seriously think that Sopranos fans are all mobsters, do you?
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Old October 14 2012, 06:30 PM   #22
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I was watching a documentary about the warcrimes and atrocities of the regular (that is, non SS) divisions of the Wehrmacht in World War II and it just hit me. These are the same type of people that would have made up the Imperial Army in the Star Wars universe. Fanatical, genocidal fascists who enslaved entire worlds, destroyed entire races at the command of their evil Sith Emperor.

The Nazi version of Stormtroopers (the SS) were the worst of the whole evil organization. They were responsible for, among other atrocities, the operation of the death camps.

So why would any person with a functioning soul want to be a fan of the Star Wars universe equivalent? The organized SW Imperial fandom, the 501st, explicitly takes it's name from the most infamous of all stormtrooper divisions, being the one that prosecuted the genocide against the Jedi.

It makes me sick in the heart now to see stormtrooper fans parading around in their SW Nazi uniforms and acting like there's nothing wrong with it.

In real life, if someone wanted to start a fanclub for the
SS-Totenkopfverbände (the "Death's Head" Division, responsible for carrying out the Final Solution), we'd call them at best ignorant.

Next time you see one of these fools at a con, ask them if they really understand the statement they are making by parading around as Space Nazis.
Could everyone please present their face so that I may palm it?
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Old October 14 2012, 06:33 PM   #23
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The Empire is evil.
I hear the Empire was part of the George W Bush's original speech when describin' the Axis of Evil...yep, it was gonna be Iraq, Iran, North Korea & the Empire.

That the Empire has been ignored as a serious threat to the safety & security of this great nation since 1977 is a travesty and we should do something about it!
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Old October 14 2012, 06:38 PM   #24
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^ No one here is being a "fan" of evil. Get over it.

Just because you might dress up as a character you see in a movie, or even kind of 'root' for them, doesn't mean you are completely in favor of what they represent or that you are part of the "real life" group they are modeled on. You don't seriously think that Sopranos fans are all mobsters, do you?
I don't think the Sopranos should have ever been made, now that you mention it. It was an attempt to "humanize" the American Mob.
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Old October 14 2012, 06:40 PM   #25
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Ian Keldon wrote: View Post
I am simply amazed (and not in a good way) how cavalier you all are being. Lucas explicitly modeled the Imperial Forces after a cartoonized version of Nazism.

The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.

"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.
So, not even an attempt to answer how dressing up as Storm Troopers at a Con is any different then Dressing up as Darth Vader or the Genocidal characters/races in Star Trek or Doctor Who?
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Old October 14 2012, 06:45 PM   #26
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I am simply amazed (and not in a good way) how cavalier you all are being. Lucas explicitly modeled the Imperial Forces after a cartoonized version of Nazism.

The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.

"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.
So, not even an attempt to answer how dressing up as Storm Troopers at a Con is any different then Dressing up as Darth Vader or the Genocidal characters/races in Star Trek or Doctor Who?
Like the Doctor himself for one.
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Old October 14 2012, 06:46 PM   #27
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Ian Keldon wrote: View Post
I am simply amazed (and not in a good way) how cavalier you all are being. Lucas explicitly modeled the Imperial Forces after a cartoonized version of Nazism.

The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.

"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.
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Old October 14 2012, 06:47 PM   #28
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The stormtroopers have cool outfits, just like the Nazis. If you want people to be fans of the good guys, give them better uniforms.
The Nazis were the best dressed group of people in history.

Hugo Boss was the boss.
Indeed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJUo...eature=related
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Old October 14 2012, 07:01 PM   #29
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The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.
You do know that he movie's 501st division was a shout-out the real fan group The Fightin' 501st - a costumed charity group that, amongst other things, visits sick kids in the hospital - right? The fan group came first; having the fictional version go kill a bunch of kids was a joke on Lucas's part.

None of this is meant to be analyzed as seriously as you're taking it. It's just a movie.
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Old October 14 2012, 07:08 PM   #30
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"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.
I can't wait for this Halloween when some poor little kid shows up at your door dressed as the Joker, Lord Voldemort or some other fictional evil character and you give the child a ten minute lecture on being devoid of a functioning conscience.

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