15 Reasons JJ "Ruined & Destroyed" Star Trek - Page 4

teacake · October 11 2012, 11:07 AM

HAHAHAHAHA

malchya · October 11 2012, 01:09 PM

I followed the link and had an overwhelming sense of "been there, done that." Really? Three years in and all you could do was rehash everything that has been beaten to death on this and every other Star Trek forum? Sigh.

Not, you'll please note, that I disagree with most of his complaints. They pretty much follow my issues with the film. The difference is that I enjoyed the bloody thing! I was at a point in my life where I just couldn't engender any enthusiasm for Trek. I actually thought I had put all of the technobabble nonsense out of my life for good. Enter J.J.

I loved the film. Despite the fact that I think it is the worst of all the Trek films saving IV. (I really, REALLY hate that one...but I still watch it). It had plot holes you could toss a galaxy through, design and aesthetic issues that make it look like their conceptual staff were all about 11 and the single most absurd location ever used for part of a star ship. I still came out pumped and excited, my enthusiasm for things Trek reborn with a new fervor. Thank you, J.J.

I can't explain this well. My daughter caught me watching '09 a couple of nights ago and asked me "Why? This movie sucks!" and I had to answer, "Yep. But I LOVE it anyway!"

Mach5 · October 11 2012, 03:39 PM

malchya wrote:

the single most absurd location ever used for part of a star ship

I presume you're talking about the brewery.

IIRC, one of the sets used for Kelvin actually had visible concrete walls.

King Daniel into Darkness · October 11 2012, 05:52 PM

malchya wrote:

the single most absurd location ever used for part of a star ship.

Is it really? Because to me it looked just like the engineering section from The Original Series, made much bigger and more complex.

I remember in I think it was "Court Martial" or "The Enemy Within", where the engineering levels are described as a maze - but their search of that maze was limited to sneaking around the same two large tanks along one wall of their engine room set again and again.

Set Harth · October 11 2012, 06:54 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

2001 doesn't make perfect sense

Examples?

malchya wrote:

I can't explain this well. My daughter caught me watching '09 a couple of nights ago and asked me "Why? This movie sucks!" and I had to answer, "Yep. But I LOVE it anyway!"

I'm intrigued. If you love things that suck, do you hate things that don't suck?

Garak · October 11 2012, 08:22 PM

KingDaniel wrote:

That's actually quite interesting.

6079SmithW · October 11 2012, 08:23 PM

KingDaniel wrote:

malchya wrote:

the single most absurd location ever used for part of a star ship.

Is it really? Because to me it looked just like the engineering section from The Original Series, made much bigger and more complex.

Thank you for the comparison. Every time someone complains about something in the movie not matching what we saw before it turns out that the same thing was actually present or had precedent in TOS or the movies.

DonIago · October 11 2012, 09:05 PM

Of course, by this definition my grandparents' basement could pass as an Engine Room.

teacake · October 11 2012, 10:02 PM

I thought it looked a lot more like a real engine room than anything we saw in TOS.

doubleohfive · October 11 2012, 10:04 PM

teacock wrote:

I thought it looked a lot more like a real engine room than anything we saw in TOS.

I thought it looked cool. A deep, intricate and detailed set.

serenitytrek1 · October 11 2012, 10:36 PM

Garak wrote:

KingDaniel wrote:

That's actually quite interesting.

Impressive...Most Impressive

Sindatur · October 11 2012, 11:02 PM

DonIago wrote:

Of course, by this definition my grandparents' basement could pass as an Engine Room.

By all means, post a comparative like the one KingDaniel posted, and we'll happily judge the legitimacy of that statement

DonIago · October 12 2012, 01:16 AM

Heh, I would, but my mom and her sister got this crazy notion into their heads about selling my grandparents' house after they'd passed away some years back.

FKnight · October 12 2012, 01:35 AM

The author is absolutely correct about the entire fiasco from the moment Spock jettisoned Kirk to the moment Kirk and Scott beamed back. The entire Delta Vega side trip was shoehorned, badly written, and ill thought out for reasons I can't state better than the author.

I don't know about anything else, but I dropped about $10 bucks to see this and it was pretty mediocre to be sure. I'm not talking about ship lengths, ill placed lighting on the ship, breweries, or affairs. Just saying it wasn't much better than Speed II. And to nip this in the bud too - IMO all the TNG movies sucked too except Insurrection, which should have been a TV episode anyway.

I went to the theater to watch Trek '09, but with the new Trek movie, I'll probably go back to what I was doing from ST7 on -- waiting for it to come out on Netflix. Not terrible movies, just not really better than much else that's out there, and not even as good as a lot. I'll definitely be going to the theater for the Hobbit though.

I guess what I don't understand, and probably won't because it's all subjective opinion anyway --- why people think Trek '09 is great. It's okay.

Set Harth · October 12 2012, 01:57 AM

FKnight wrote:

I'll probably go back to what I was doing from ST7 on -- waiting for it to come out on Netflix.

Wow, for ST7 that must have been a long wait.

October 11 2012, 11:07 AM	#46
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: 15 Reasons JJ "Ruined & Destroyed" Star Trek HAHAHAHAHA __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

October 11 2012, 01:09 PM	#47
malchya Lieutenant Commander Location: Seattle, WA	Re: 15 Reasons JJ "Ruined & Destroyed" Star Trek I followed the link and had an overwhelming sense of "been there, done that." Really? Three years in and all you could do was rehash everything that has been beaten to death on this and every other Star Trek forum? Sigh. Not, you'll please note, that I disagree with most of his complaints. They pretty much follow my issues with the film. The difference is that I enjoyed the bloody thing! I was at a point in my life where I just couldn't engender any enthusiasm for Trek. I actually thought I had put all of the technobabble nonsense out of my life for good. Enter J.J. I loved the film. Despite the fact that I think it is the worst of all the Trek films saving IV. (I really, REALLY hate that one...but I still watch it). It had plot holes you could toss a galaxy through, design and aesthetic issues that make it look like their conceptual staff were all about 11 and the single most absurd location ever used for part of a star ship. I still came out pumped and excited, my enthusiasm for things Trek reborn with a new fervor. Thank you, J.J. I can't explain this well. My daughter caught me watching '09 a couple of nights ago and asked me "Why? This movie sucks!" and I had to answer, "Yep. But I LOVE it anyway!"

October 11 2012, 09:05 PM	#53
DonIago Rear Admiral Location: Burlington, VT, USA	Re: 15 Reasons JJ "Ruined & Destroyed" Star Trek Of course, by this definition my grandparents' basement could pass as an Engine Room. __________________ --DonIago It was the best of Trek, it was the worst of Trek... "If I lean over, I leave myself open to wedgies, wet willies, or even the dreaded Rear Admiral!"

October 11 2012, 10:02 PM	#54
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: 15 Reasons JJ "Ruined & Destroyed" Star Trek I thought it looked a lot more like a real engine room than anything we saw in TOS. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

October 12 2012, 01:16 AM	#58
DonIago Rear Admiral Location: Burlington, VT, USA	Re: 15 Reasons JJ "Ruined & Destroyed" Star Trek Heh, I would, but my mom and her sister got this crazy notion into their heads about selling my grandparents' house after they'd passed away some years back. __________________ --DonIago It was the best of Trek, it was the worst of Trek... "If I lean over, I leave myself open to wedgies, wet willies, or even the dreaded Rear Admiral!"

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October 12 2012, 01:35 AM	#59
FKnight Commander	Re: 15 Reasons JJ "Ruined & Destroyed" Star Trek The author is absolutely correct about the entire fiasco from the moment Spock jettisoned Kirk to the moment Kirk and Scott beamed back. The entire Delta Vega side trip was shoehorned, badly written, and ill thought out for reasons I can't state better than the author. I don't know about anything else, but I dropped about $10 bucks to see this and it was pretty mediocre to be sure. I'm not talking about ship lengths, ill placed lighting on the ship, breweries, or affairs. Just saying it wasn't much better than Speed II. And to nip this in the bud too - IMO all the TNG movies sucked too except Insurrection, which should have been a TV episode anyway. I went to the theater to watch Trek '09, but with the new Trek movie, I'll probably go back to what I was doing from ST7 on -- waiting for it to come out on Netflix. Not terrible movies, just not really better than much else that's out there, and not even as good as a lot. I'll definitely be going to the theater for the Hobbit though. I guess what I don't understand, and probably won't because it's all subjective opinion anyway --- why people think Trek '09 is great. It's okay. __________________ "You have been examined. Your ship must be destroyed. We make assumption you have a deity, or deities, or some such beliefs which comfort you. We therefore grant you ten Earth time periods known as minutes to make preparations."