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Old October 8 2012, 09:07 PM   #31
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Re: Gotta admit, Earth Starfleet Command's not very diverse

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OOooooo... no. Much as I would like there to be a place called Georgia that is not America I don't think we can assume that.
If Scotland can leave the UK, making Scotty not British, then Georgia can leave the USA, making McCoy not American.
So the Trekverse has a Soviet Union that never fell, a Southern Confederacy that apparently rose again and Scottish separatists gaining independence. How did this world ever unite again?
Nukes and aliens, man. It's a recipe for unity!
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Old October 8 2012, 10:19 PM   #32
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Scotty can still be British, even if he never mentions the UK. Did McCoy ever mention the USA?
McCoy never specifically mentions where he was from, Scotty did.

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Wow, how did that enter this discussion?
And your point is?

I could say I'm from Aberdeen, Scotland. It wouldn't mean I was less British. Just that I'm from the part of the UK that is Scotland. Scotty was just proud of his Scottish heritge.

It would be like an American saying I'm from Iowa.
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Old October 8 2012, 10:40 PM   #33
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So the Trekverse has a Soviet Union that never fell, a Southern Confederacy that apparently rose again and Scottish separatists gaining independence. How did this world ever unite again?
Don't forget the Irish Reunification of 2024.
In the same episode Crusher confirms that she is a North American but doesn't specify from which nation state on that continent.

Trek was always vague when it came to defining the extent to which modern nations continued their existence into Trek's time. Going by the accounts of various alien species earth should be comprised of city states.
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Old October 8 2012, 10:55 PM   #34
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United Earth sounds fairly clear to me: good, centralized, progressive rule with a moderately federal structure below. It cannot be too federal as you cannot get rid of hunger, war on so on via letting every nation or group playing its own game.
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Old October 9 2012, 03:42 AM   #35
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Science got rid of hunger and supposedly the knowing we are not alone in the universe got rid of war.

Personally I think the MU response to first contact is more likely.
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Old October 9 2012, 07:35 AM   #36
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Science got rid of hunger and supposedly the knowing we are not alone in the universe got rid of war.

Personally I think the MU response to first contact is more likely.
This would explain why Starfleet is so western oriented if it was Americans who killed the Vulcans, stole their technology and 'united' the world.
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Old October 9 2012, 07:43 AM   #37
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They should have landed in Australia, as long as they had some Romulan ale somewhere on board everything would have been cool.
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Old October 10 2012, 12:01 AM   #38
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... a Southern Confederacy that apparently rose again and Scottish separatists gaining independence. How did this world ever unite again?
Good fences, make for good neighbors.

Having a United Earth apparently doesn't mean blandly mushing into a single national and cultural entity. From Picard's comments to Riker in The Defector, America as a country (and not a state) still exists in the 24th century.

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Old October 15 2012, 09:04 PM   #39
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In the same episode Crusher confirms that she is a North American but doesn't specify from which nation state on that continent.
Apparently, none. Instead, she comes from that part of North America that is located on the Moon ("Conundrum").

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Old October 16 2012, 02:57 AM   #40
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^That guy talked as if George Washington was her countryman. As for the moon, that was where she was born. I think it was implied her family spent generations in the States before going to the stars.

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And of course there is Voyager

Janeway - American Female
Tuvok - Vulcan Male
Kim - Not Known
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Old October 16 2012, 03:31 AM   #41
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Apparently, none. Instead, she comes from that part of North America that is located on the Moon ("Conundrum").
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^That guy talked as if George Washington was her countryman. As for the moon, that was where she was born.
America could have established colonies on the moon, that grew and eventual became off-world States in the Union.

That way Beverly could be a countryman of George Washington, and have been born on the moon.

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Old October 19 2012, 03:03 PM   #42
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Personally I think the MU response to first contact is more likely.
Same here, and even if it didnt straight away its likely the first set of aliens to suggest anything in our history didnt quite happen the way certain books say it did, there would be war.

I thought the Enterprise crew were fairly diverse, Starfleet Command we only saw a handfull of senior officers and a couple of security guards. If you watch any of the series the crews sometimes look fairly non diverse if your only paying attention to skin colour.
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