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Old October 7 2012, 07:58 PM   #16
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Re: Layton's bid for power

...Then again, other, far mightier civilizations are known to have fallen when their capital worlds did (Tkon, Iconians). Perhaps there exists a socio-econo-political mechanism for that, one the UFP is not immune to?

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Old October 7 2012, 08:02 PM   #17
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No it wouldn't collapse, but by every precedent in the franchise all the military, political and economic hubs of the Federation center around Earth. Starfleet especially is VERY Earth dominated.

I've already argued that the rest of Starfleet and the Federation probably wouldn't go along with this in this thread, but it is reasonable to assume that by commanding Earth you have some authority to exert with the rest of Starfleet and the Federation. I already compared Leyton with the July 20 plotters in Germany who surmised that if they eliminated the Head of State and controlled Berlin they'd control Germany. That failed too.
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Old October 7 2012, 08:09 PM   #18
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It might be that a Trek civilization factually consists of a self-sufficient homeworld plus a number of completely insignificant colonies whose role is purely one of prestige. Control of Earth would then mean control of all mankind, and that might be the extent of Leyton's ambitions; let the aliens do whatever they please, as long as 90% of the starships are in human hands.

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Old October 7 2012, 08:49 PM   #19
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...Then again, other, far mightier civilizations are known to have fallen when their capital worlds did (Tkon, Iconians). Perhaps there exists a socio-econo-political mechanism for that, one the UFP is not immune to?

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I think the destruction of those Empires may have begun with the loss of their Homeworlds, but it wasn't the single loss that destroyed everything.

Honestly, I did think it was silly how there was only one major Starfleet Academy/HQ and it had to be on Earth. It wouldn't surprise me if there were secondary locations on the other Founding Worlds (Andor, most likely) and we just only ever hear about the Earth ones.
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Old October 7 2012, 09:12 PM   #20
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...Then again, other, far mightier civilizations are known to have fallen when their capital worlds did (Tkon, Iconians). Perhaps there exists a socio-econo-political mechanism for that, one the UFP is not immune to?

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I think the destruction of those Empires may have begun with the loss of their Homeworlds, but it wasn't the single loss that destroyed everything.

Honestly, I did think it was silly how there was only one major Starfleet Academy/HQ and it had to be on Earth. It wouldn't surprise me if there were secondary locations on the other Founding Worlds (Andor, most likely) and we just only ever hear about the Earth ones.
There are for NCO's and crewmen IIRC

One would like to think that a non-martial empire like Federation could survive fall of Earth, although it would be significantly weaker. But I wonder if there are significant cultural and political differences between diverse member worlds or if they are all pretty much tightly knit and fanatically loyal to the ideals of the Federation?

On the other hand, if Romulus or Qo'nos fell, I have no doubt that the two empires would immediatelly collapse, or shortly after when somebody invaded them while they were weak. Think of what would happen to Roman empire if Hannibal had conquered Rome?
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Old October 7 2012, 11:44 PM   #21
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Well, the Klingon and Romulan Empires are Empires. They conquer and subjugate other sentient beings. If the centers of their Empires collapsed it would be the signal for their conquered territories to rebel and fight for their independence again while the military would be too busy dealing with whatever destroyed the Homeworld to keep things under control.

With the Feds, it's a multi-species cooperative and not an Empire. So losing one of the Founding Worlds (there are 4 others) wouldn't be SUCH a blow by comparison.
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Old October 8 2012, 01:52 AM   #22
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The Federation I think could survive loosing 2-3 of its core worlds. (Earth, Vulcan, Andoria (if that is the right name) Teller prime, and some of the bigger newer members, like Betazed and Trill someworlds. ) However even a serious blow to Romulan or Klingon homeworlds would cause a major civil war, not only between the species uprising, but also from the remaining main species fraction. Also you would have species like the Breen raid in such cases.
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Old October 8 2012, 05:08 AM   #23
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Earth seems to be pretty darn important to the Federation, beyond being even a founding member - even the alien president seemed rather invested in the paradise of Earth. I don't think it's vitally important to the Federation politically, though, asides from being the capital, and thus being where all the important politicians are.

However, Earth does seem to be the keystone of Starfleet. That would make it an important place for any attack, and why Starfleet is so keen to defend it (as opposed to, say, Betazed). As Starfleet is the defensive force of the Federation, Earth is important to the Federation. Therefore, Layton would want to defend it, even to the point of martial law (and of course, he's the one most qualified to lead it, since he's the only one taking the threat seriously...).
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