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Old October 7 2012, 05:13 AM   #31
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Old October 7 2012, 05:15 AM   #32
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Old October 7 2012, 05:13 PM   #33
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There is a high probability that T'Pring was killed on Vulcan. However if she wasn't, wouldn't Spock be honour bound to take her as a mate and father children with her, seeing as how the Vulcan population has been decimated?

It would be the most logical option.
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Old October 7 2012, 07:14 PM   #34
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There is a high probability that T'Pring was killed on Vulcan. However if she wasn't, wouldn't Spock be honour bound to take her as a mate and father children with her, seeing as how the Vulcan population has been decimated?

It would be the most logical option.
But, he's a half breed, surely they wouldn't go out of their way to have him as breeding stock. Now sure, I doubt they would attempt to prevent him from breeding, but, recruiting him wouldn't be their first priority, I wouldn't think
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Old October 7 2012, 07:21 PM   #35
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There is a high probability that T'Pring was killed on Vulcan. However if she wasn't, wouldn't Spock be honour bound to take her as a mate and father children with her, seeing as how the Vulcan population has been decimated?

It would be the most logical option.

Actually, if T'Pring is still alive, the most logical option would be to break the bond between her and Spock, and bond her to a fully Vulcan male whose bond-mate had died in the cataclysm for 3 reasons: 1. It saves a life that the Vulcans can ill-afford to lose. 2. As a hybrid, Spock is probably sterile, so having him bonded to a fertile woman is a waste of her potential genes. And 3. Even if he isn't sterile, considering Vulcan prejudices, his half-human genes are not necessarily wanted in their gene pool. Considering how few Vulcans their are, within a certain number of generations, every Vulcan will be part human, which sort of defeats the purpose.


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Old October 7 2012, 08:19 PM   #36
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There is a high probability that T'Pring was killed on Vulcan. However if she wasn't, wouldn't Spock be honour bound to take her as a mate and father children with her, seeing as how the Vulcan population has been decimated?

It would be the most logical option.
I know that was why I was asking,may be Nu Spock wouldn't stand her but they as Vulcan need to do the most important thing for their near extinct race.

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Old October 7 2012, 08:39 PM   #37
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Actually, if T'Pring is still alive, the most logical option would be to break the bond between her and Spock, and bond her to a fully Vulcan male whose bond-mate had died in the cataclysm for 3 reasons: 1. It saves a life that the Vulcans can ill-afford to lose.
A role Spock could fill, despite Vulcan bigotry. Their population is a tiny percentage of what it used to be. In human-Vulcan offspring, the Vulcan genes always appear to be the most dominant, whilst strict discipline and control will keep those pesky emotions under control, whilst with each generation the human blood is diluted further and further.

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2. As a hybrid, Spock is probably sterile, so having him bonded to a fertile woman is a waste of her potential genes.
In the early scripts of TVH Saavik was to be pregnant by Spock. Due to the importance of procreation in this situation and the set backs it can occur, it would make sense to adopt a process of in vitro fertilisation, so as to ensure conception.

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3. Even if he isn't sterile, considering Vulcan prejudices, his half-human genes are not necessarily wanted in their gene pool. Considering how few Vulcans their are, within a certain number of generations, every Vulcan will be part human, which sort of defeats the purpose.
Hardly every Vulcan would be part human, only the direct line of Spock--admittedly that could be quite a few, if even a single child was conceived ever seven years.

Vulcan are surprisingly small-minded, considering IDIC. But whilst facing such dire circumstances, they'll have to get over themselves
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Old October 7 2012, 11:47 PM   #38
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2. As a hybrid, Spock is probably sterile, so having him bonded to a fertile woman is a waste of her potential genes.
I think if Klingons, Vulcans, Humans and who knows who else, all with vastly different physiologies can manage to breed perfectly healthy children then ensuring the blended offspring are fertile is a very simple matter. We're talking totally different organs and blood already overcome.

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But, he's a half breed, surely they wouldn't go out of their way to have him as breeding stock. Now sure, I doubt they would attempt to prevent him from breeding, but, recruiting him wouldn't be their first priority, I wouldn't think
I think they would attempt to prevent him. I suspect Vulcan society will become more totalitarian and controlled in the interests of logically ensuring the best continuance of the race. They may end up more like the Romulans.
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Old October 8 2012, 01:29 AM   #39
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Has she ever even been mentioned by JJ and crew?
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Old October 8 2012, 01:31 AM   #40
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Nope. But it's not like they mention anything.

For all we know she's the villain of ST:XII and is being played by Cumberbatch!
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Old October 8 2012, 01:40 AM   #41
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OMG that would totally blow (my mind).
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Old October 8 2012, 01:55 AM   #42
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Hey indranee what's that pic in your sig all about?
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Old October 8 2012, 01:58 AM   #43
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teacake that was Benedict and Zach looking all cozy at the 2012 Emmys

There's more here:

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Old October 8 2012, 02:38 AM   #44
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Oh I didn't recognize Benedict, LOLOL
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Old October 8 2012, 03:05 AM   #45
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I think if Klingons, Vulcans, Humans and who knows who else, all with vastly different physiologies can manage to breed perfectly healthy children then ensuring the blended offspring are fertile is a very simple matter. We're talking totally different organs and blood already overcome.
All of those hybrids appeared in the mid-to-late 24th century, though. Technology was more advanced. TOS didn't show many other hybrids. . .Spock was probably very difficult to conceive in the early-to-mid 23rd century.

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Their population is a tiny percentage of what it used to be. In human-Vulcan offspring, the Vulcan genes always appear to be the most dominant, whilst strict discipline and control will keep those pesky emotions under control, whilst with each generation the human blood is diluted further and further.
We don't know that Vulcan genes are dominant. . .Spock had to be genetically engineered; he lived on Vulcan, it would be logical that the scientists making him made his Vulcan genes dominant.


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In the early scripts of TVH Saavik was to be pregnant by Spock.
Not canon. Obviously, the writers and Nimoy nixed it quite early in the process.

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Due to the importance of procreation in this situation and the set backs it can occur, it would make sense to adopt a process of in vitro fertilisation, so as to ensure conception.
I agree that in vitro technology will most likely become very important to the Vulcans, and I will go further in saying that the whole bonded for life thing may have to go by the wayside. Logically, to maximize their gene pool in the quickest time possible, every Vulcan's genes will be combined with the maximum amount of partners (maybe via artificial wombs and a creche-based society). Every child becomes everyone's responsibility.

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Vulcan are surprisingly small-minded, considering IDIC. But whilst facing such dire circumstances, they'll have to get over themselves
As pointed out above, there are more logical ways of procreation that fulfill the need for maximum genetic combinations in a short amount of time than to force unwilling participants into a pair-bond for life with someone they can't stand and forcing the female to have litters of children like kittens.


Here's a real world example for you: Scientists did not breed gray wolves to dogs (huskies, malamutes, Samoyeds) and call the offspring wolves in order to get them off the endangered species list. What makes you think Vulcans are going to be willing to "pollute" their gene pool?

Also, logically, considering that the pure genetic expression of Spock's Vulcan genes is Sarek, and since Sarek is still alive, and can contribute that genetic material to New Vulcan, Spock's genes (with their human taint) are not necessary. And if they ARE necessary, Spock Prime has already said that he can be in 2 places at once.

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