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Layton's bid for power
What we know is: He has a bunch of kids on his side, one Captain in charge of Starfleet Security, and one Captain on a starship that's more loyal than others (this assumes there are other officers loyal to him). Since Benteen is the only one there to help, we can assume that others either weren't highly placed or were at other strategic locations throughout the Federation. However, if this was the case, why didn't he have more ships in Sol just in case of rebellion? One can only assume that he didn't have enough "others" that were loyal and couldn't afford to have more than one ship around Sol. Layton also doesn't seem to have enough pull to arrange for Benteen to have a more powerful ship assigned to her. She instead gets an old rust bucket that has to be upgraded in order to be some kind of threat. With this situation in mind, how did he plan to confront the rest of Starfleet? With the power that Starfleet has, I can see the president being no challenge, but how was he going to convince at least a 1000 other Captains that include officers like Picard to come to his side? Are people like Picard and Sisko simply outlying cases, and are other officers more hawkish like the captain of Phoenix and Jellico were? Did he really believe that chain of command was enough? And if he did, what was he going to do with his superiors? Fleet Admiral Nechayev woud be demoted/imprisoned? I was always thoroughly confused by the episode. Perhaps it should have been a 3 parter. |
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Location: Terra 3
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Re: Layton's bid for power
Granted both Operations had different goals and reasons, they both were in essence a plan to overthrow the head of state with a military junta to achieve their own goals. If both Sisko and Benteen remained completely loyal to Leyton I imagine others in the Federation would move against him and as soon as the truth gets out the people following Leyton would turn on him much as the Wehrmacht troops turned on the July 20 plotters when they discovered Hitler wasn't dead.
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Re: Layton's bid for power
And he was probably right. If he hadn't brought Sisko home, his plan likely would've succeeded.
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Vice Admiral
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
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Commodore
Location: Terra 3
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Re: Layton's bid for power
As for Leyton's grand plan? Sisko by himself thwarted it which means that he wasn't on solid ground to begin with. If he takes Earth, so what? You'd have the majority of Starfleet being told to accept a military junta. While your typical Federation officer seems docile and submissive to authority, I don't think they'd just shrug when they find out the president has been overthrown. To say nothing of the governments of the member worlds.
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Fleet Captain
Location: Z'ha'dum
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Re: Layton's bid for power
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Fleet Captain
Location: Mentone
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Re: Layton's bid for power
After Sisko's arrest on false grounds:
After Sisko breaks out and confronts Leyton in his office:
Then, after the space battle, comes the scene where Leyton considers making a fight of it despite being exposed. But that may be his Plan B now that the more peaceful Plan A failed. Indeed, he appears to describe fighting as an alternative to what he has been doing so far.
That is, everything done so far might have been merely in order to get the President to lend his ear (does he have those?) to Leyton, and Leyton alone. Nothing would change except the policy that Jaresh-Inyo will pursue from that point on. Remember, up till this point, Leyton has done things specifically to persuade and convince the President, in addition to doing things to persuade and convince the general public. This would be wasted effort if the idea were to discredit Jaresh-Inyo and throw him down from the throne while the crowds cheered. Letting the President reign would be a sustainable approach, and also consistent with all the earlier actions. Timo Saloniemi |
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Fleet Captain
Location: Z'ha'dum
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Re: Layton's bid for power
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Re: Layton's bid for power
Layton would probably create a police state under the façade of a democratic decision and then he would not stop because he would need more and more control to keep his plans alive. Layton would become a dictator, the Federation would become more militarized, just like the Romulans and Cardassians. Ironically the Federation -- under this new system -- would probably offer to help the Klingons conquer the Cardassian Union. All of it under the guise of protecting the Alpha Quadrant from the Dominion. The Khitomer Accords would be refreshed as the Federation and Klingon goals became the same. Ironically though the Federation would never close the Bajoran wormhole, because then Layton would have to abolish these emergency security measures. But he wouldn't because you once acquire power through corrupt means you tend to cling onto it lest ones true intentions are publicly revealed. Let's not forget Section 31, I'm pretty certain they would not let Layton get away with a take over of the Federation. Because Section 31 are a smart bunch and they would know that this would lead to civil war. If anything Layton should have made his move in conjunction with Section 31 after the Dominion war, because I'm certain Section 31 would desire stronger measures in their desire to protect the Federation from its enemies. Plus at a time when Federation races are reeling over the terrible death and destruction the Dominion wrought, that's when Layton should have carried out his coup; all under the guise of protecting the people of course. |
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Vice Admiral
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
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Commodore
Location: Terra 3
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5 franchises of Trek argue rather heavily against the Federation not being centered on Earth.
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Vice Admiral
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
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Re: Layton's bid for power
In most cases throughout Trek, when Earth is endangered it's usually just part of a grander invasion (the Borg attacks, for example). None of the other times (V'ger, the Whale Probe, etc) indicate the destruction of the Federation, just saving one major world from crisis. |
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