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Old August 9 2014, 06:29 PM   #946
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You know I belive Gary Lockwood said it best " It's just a f***ing TV show"
Lockwood was obviously wrong as we're still talking about it nearly fifty years later!
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Old August 9 2014, 07:42 PM   #947
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You know I belive Gary Lockwood said it best " It's just a f***ing TV show"
Yeah, that's why, at the age of what? Roughly 80? He's working on a Star Trek Fan Film... right... (See item (E) at http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/210.html ... notice the first name listed? Don't believe me? Check the links!)
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Old August 9 2014, 07:45 PM   #948
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You know I belive Gary Lockwood said it best " It's just a f***ing TV show"
Yeah, that's why, at the age of what? Roughly 80? He's working on a Star Trek Fan Film... right... (See item (E) at http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/210.html ... notice the first name listed? Don't believe me? Check the links!)
Very interesting!
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Old August 10 2014, 12:43 AM   #949
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It´s a joke that there still is a discussion about those three words...

And for Equinox... They have their - I think by now fifth or sixth try to raise money (on gofundme, search for equinox) - from several hundred thousand dollars its now down to 5000, and it doesn´t look like they are going to make it. But back to topic...
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Old August 11 2014, 02:14 AM   #950
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The point is that justifying the use of slurs in a film because the fictional characters would use the most offensive language possible fails to hold water when applied to words people at large consider unspeakable, ergo, it's not that the characters would say it, it's that the filmmakers felt it was okay.

The reactions have been illuminating.
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Old August 11 2014, 05:36 AM   #951
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Oh well, it's done now. It's out there, and the words will hurt people!
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Old August 11 2014, 07:06 AM   #952
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The point is that justifying the use of slurs in a film because the fictional characters would use the most offensive language possible fails to hold water when applied to words people at large consider unspeakable, ergo, it's not that the characters would say it, it's that the filmmakers felt it was okay.
By that train of logic, anyone that makes any film with something morally reprehensible means it's an act of condoning the offending behavior on the filmmaker's part.

So a film that would be about decrying misogynistic tendencies would still be in the wrong because it depicts misogyny. I could go more extreme, but that would be silly and I would be silly.
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Old August 11 2014, 08:12 AM   #953
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The point is that justifying the use of slurs in a film because the fictional characters would use the most offensive language possible fails to hold water when applied to words people at large consider unspeakable, ergo, it's not that the characters would say it, it's that the filmmakers felt it was okay.
By that train of logic, anyone that makes any film with something morally reprehensible means it's an act of condoning the offending behavior on the filmmaker's part.
Not worth bothering. Some people were simply born with a stick up their ass.

And Maurice, I'm not talking about you, but the usual suspects who'll use every chance to feel offended by anything that wouldn't fit into a ´50s Disney movie.
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Old August 11 2014, 08:47 AM   #954
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The point is that justifying the use of slurs in a film because the fictional characters would use the most offensive language possible fails to hold water when applied to words people at large consider unspeakable, ergo, it's not that the characters would say it, it's that the filmmakers felt it was okay.

The reactions have been illuminating.
That is the most insane thing I've ever heard. That would imply that moviemakers showing rape in a story about a women being raped means they feel it's ok to rape.

One of the aspects of Axanar is showing the horrors of war. Part if that is insulting your enemy, degrading them. Just because the makers decided to show that part of it, doesn't mean they feel it's okay.

That's it. I wasn't going to participate in this discussion, and I'm not going to any further. But I really needed to get that of my chest....
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Old August 11 2014, 11:12 AM   #955
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The point is that justifying the use of slurs in a film because the fictional characters would use the most offensive language possible fails to hold water when applied to words people at large consider unspeakable, ergo, it's not that the characters would say it, it's that the filmmakers felt it was okay.
By that train of logic, anyone that makes any film with something morally reprehensible means it's an act of condoning the offending behavior on the filmmaker's part.
Not worth bothering. Some people were simply born with a stick up their ass.

And Maurice, I'm not talking about you, but the usual suspects who'll use every chance to feel offended by anything that wouldn't fit into a ´50s Disney movie.
While I get the gist of what you're saying, I'm going to point to an example:

"Song of the South" was a 1946 Disney film, and considered a bit controversial today. While it wouldn't be made today, I personally understand the historical side of it.

Furthermore, while I do understand the comments about filmmakers being harsh with language or depictions in order to make a point, there is another example of Quentin Tarantino who loves to have his black characters use the n-word. It is because he feels that black people in general (not some) use the word - according to his interview on Charlie Rose years ago - and that it is racist for him not to use it. So, he's basically using his skin privilege to utilize that word in his movies.
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Old August 11 2014, 01:11 PM   #956
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And for Equinox... They have their - I think by now fifth or sixth try to raise money (on gofundme, search for equinox) - from several hundred thousand dollars its now down to 5000, and it doesn´t look like they are going to make it.
Oh, well. I'd just heard about it!
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Old August 11 2014, 04:00 PM   #957
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The point is that justifying the use of slurs in a film because the fictional characters would use the most offensive language possible fails to hold water when applied to words people at large consider unspeakable, ergo, it's not that the characters would say it, it's that the filmmakers felt it was okay.

The reactions have been illuminating.
I really feel like you're way out in left field on this one, Maurice. But the world would be a pretty dull place if we all agreed on everything.
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Old August 11 2014, 05:14 PM   #958
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I'm not sure how illuminating the reactions have been. People have their opinions, and people have stated them. There is no complete agreement, and the proportions of opinions represented in-thread almost certainly don't reflect their respective proportions in the overall audience at large. Welcome to the Internet.
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Old August 11 2014, 06:36 PM   #959
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And on further note: If "Star Trek" ever, in any capacity, had their characters use the n-word (which would be a huge, bold move) I would hope that it is followed up on as to 'why' it was being used and how is that individual or individuals going to learn that the archaic term is a 'no-no?'
Jake Sisko's character in "Far Beyond the Stars" said it, but I don't know if that's the same thing you're talking about.


Anyways, I thought this prelude was ok. It has pretty good production values for a fan film and for the most part great acting. But for some reason I can't really get into a fictional history documentary. Will definitely watch the movie though.
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Old August 11 2014, 09:08 PM   #960
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What I'm getting at is that we, the audience, do not determine when the story can and cannot use such words or tools. We are there to watch. Calling that woman the Queen Bitch showed us how badass she is. This is a positive thing showing a strong woman in command.
I saw it as the Klingons were so threatened by a female they had to try to degrade her- Garth get's a title while she gets slur.
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