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Old July 31 2014, 09:38 AM   #691
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From a technical standpoint, it was very well put together for a fan film, perhaps the best I've ever seen. That doesn't make it anywhere close to a major motion picture on a technical level.
Frankly, speaking as the Layperson Viewer, one isn't much concerned with its proximity to a Major Motion Picture on a Technical Level. And due respect to Harvey -- which I'm not just saying as a formality, by the way -- but I'd actually kind of like to propose that we suspend carping along those lines. I get that this sort of thing is foremost in the minds of industry hands, but the viewers mostly care whether it's fun. It's obviously not made on a two hundred million dollar budget, and that also doesn't matter that much to entertainment value.

For my money -- and after watching this, I will definitely be kicking down for Axanar itself -- Prelude is damned fun, aside from being just outright incredible for a fan production. The actors deliver in spades*, and in this I'd actually include Alec (I really don't care at all what personal hangups people have with him), whose choice to play Garth as understated and humble I think actually works quite well as a counterpart both to the other personalities and to the OT insane version of him that is TOS canon. I found the backstory of the Four Years War convincing and involving and the setup, as it was meant to do, left me wanting more. Can't wait to see the finished product.

* Agreed that Ramirez' Speech is a bit flat content-wise. But hey, Tony Todd works it admirably anyway. Ultimately I like it.
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Old July 31 2014, 09:59 AM   #692
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I'm watching it now, and so far it's pretty interesting....and well paced.

My only major gripe is Soval quoting the infamous Shran: "Don't push the pinkskins into thin ice." As aforementioned in other threads, this is saying that humans = Caucasians. Admiral Ramirez (i.e. Tony Todd) definitely ain't a 'pinkskin'...nor is the black man typing this post.

Aside from that racial blunder, I'm enjoying it.

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Old July 31 2014, 10:25 AM   #693
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That was simply amazing!!
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Old July 31 2014, 10:47 AM   #694
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I'm going to focus only on the positive here for now:

I liked the idea. I thought it was a great way to break out of the typical and and the obvious format. Some clever bits here and there. Good production values throughout. Well lit. Good sound. Mostly convincing CGI backdrops.

Good acting for the most part. Kate Vernon was tops. She was the best of the performances. There's only one person I found flat.
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Old July 31 2014, 12:38 PM   #695
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Ok, a little bit more expanded then my previous post....


I think it's hard to judge actors on something like this. A lot of small moments, little shots in front of green screens, no true sense about where your character came from and where it is going. So yeah, in some shots the acting felt perhaps a bit flat. But never to a point that it really bothered me.

Plot..... well, it's a documentary, so really, what plot? But it did exactly what it needed to do, which was being a prelude. This had me wanting for the complete story, the actual film, needing to know what happened. So, purpose served, and then some!!

Now, the biggest thing here.... the visuals. A lot of shots were clearly there just to show some starship porn. To show what can be done for fanfilms, when you take the right time and are not simply satisfied with a half finished product. Granted, the budget here was a lot bigger then most fanfilms have, but in the end the day, no where that of huge productions, and still it didn't feel low-budget. It showed that a group of people who really care for their product would only put it out when THEY were satisfied, and it showed.

This was, simply put, one of the best appetizers I've had. And I'm ready for the main course.
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Old July 31 2014, 01:24 PM   #696
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I really, REALLY liked the sound design for all the FX shots. Honestly, it's been a long time since I took as much notice for any film of this genre. It really brought me back to when I was a youngster and came across a behind-the-scenes CBS tv special for The Empire Strikes Back which showed stop-motion models, tracking shots, but most notably the efforts of sound designer Ben Burtt as he revolutionnized the sound FX industry...

Tobias Richter and his team should also be lauded for their amazing work, gorgeous space and ground-level shots throughout this film. Why do I get the feeling that after the full AXANAR project gets released, Tobias will finally and deservedly be scooped up by feature studios for big-money projects? I'll be sad for all Trek productions but so happy for this master craftsman.

My only disappointment with this film? the lack of Michael Hogan...
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Old July 31 2014, 03:44 PM   #697
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ho lee carp

Okay, I'm in. That was absolutely fantastic. Starship porn? You say that like it's a bad thing!

More Star Trek like this? Yes please!
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Old July 31 2014, 04:17 PM   #698
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Thoroughly enjoyable. Huge kudos to every single person involved!
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Old July 31 2014, 04:37 PM   #699
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Joel_Kirk wrote: View Post
I'm watching it now, and so far it's pretty interesting....and well paced.

My only major gripe is Soval quoting the infamous Shran: "Don't push the pinkskins into thin ice." As aforementioned in other threads, this is saying that humans = Caucasians. Admiral Ramirez (i.e. Tony Todd) definitely ain't a 'pinkskin'...nor is the black man typing this post.

Aside from that racial blunder, I'm enjoying it.
Why would this be a "racial blunder" if most of the humans the Andorans know are "pinkskins"? Remember, this is drawing from "Star Trek: Enterprise", which depicts Andorans as a bit on the xenophobic side. However, it does bring up a better point: why are most of the leads in these productions Caucasians? Granted, the sci-fi genre is not exactly a big thing in the general audience, but still...
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Old July 31 2014, 05:08 PM   #700
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Joel_Kirk wrote: View Post
I'm watching it now, and so far it's pretty interesting....and well paced.

My only major gripe is Soval quoting the infamous Shran: "Don't push the pinkskins into thin ice." As aforementioned in other threads, this is saying that humans = Caucasians. Admiral Ramirez (i.e. Tony Todd) definitely ain't a 'pinkskin'...nor is the black man typing this post.

Aside from that racial blunder, I'm enjoying it.
Why would this be a "racial blunder" if most of the humans the Andorans know are "pinkskins"? Remember, this is drawing from "Star Trek: Enterprise", which depicts Andorans as a bit on the xenophobic side. However, it does bring up a better point: why are most of the leads in these productions Caucasians? Granted, the sci-fi genre is not exactly a big thing in the general audience, but still...
It is a racial blunder because the show is supposedly in an era where humans are a multi-cultural race. Yet, Andorians are written to somehow only see white people, ignoring others of different shades and backgrounds....and we are never told that back in ENT.

Does he see whites as superior in this era? (I'm sure we saw Shran visit Earth in ENT, was he still racially incompentent?)

Realistically, 'most humans' wouldn't be 'pink' in that era anyhow, given the racial changes that are already happening in our current times. (If we were to add a bit of reality to that aspect).

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Yeah, why are the leads always Caucasians? Things that make one go 'Hmmmmm....'

There is a black man in the lead of the fanfilm production of "Starship Ajax"). Also, you have Caucasian fans who want to see themselves as starship captains and leads, so that kind of adds to the reason.

Maybe we'll see more black producers coming in overtime with ideas -and non-white leads - they want to bring to the fans.
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Old July 31 2014, 05:16 PM   #701
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Joel_Kirk wrote: View Post
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Joel_Kirk wrote: View Post
I'm watching it now, and so far it's pretty interesting....and well paced.

My only major gripe is Soval quoting the infamous Shran: "Don't push the pinkskins into thin ice." As aforementioned in other threads, this is saying that humans = Caucasians. Admiral Ramirez (i.e. Tony Todd) definitely ain't a 'pinkskin'...nor is the black man typing this post.

Aside from that racial blunder, I'm enjoying it.
Why would this be a "racial blunder" if most of the humans the Andorans know are "pinkskins"? Remember, this is drawing from "Star Trek: Enterprise", which depicts Andorans as a bit on the xenophobic side. However, it does bring up a better point: why are most of the leads in these productions Caucasians? Granted, the sci-fi genre is not exactly a big thing in the general audience, but still...
It is a racial blunder because the show is supposedly in an era where humans are a multi-cultural race. Yet, Andorians are written to somehow only see white people, ignoring others of different shades and backgrounds....and we are never told that back in ENT.
Or Andorians just don't give a crap about the differences in human ethnic groups.

I mean why would they we're all a bunch of damned dirty aliens to them.
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Old July 31 2014, 05:19 PM   #702
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Why would this be a "racial blunder" if most of the humans the Andorans know are "pinkskins"? Remember, this is drawing from "Star Trek: Enterprise", which depicts Andorans as a bit on the xenophobic side. However, it does bring up a better point: why are most of the leads in these productions Caucasians? Granted, the sci-fi genre is not exactly a big thing in the general audience, but still...
It is a racial blunder because the show is supposedly in an era where humans are a multi-cultural race. Yet, Andorians are written to somehow only see white people, ignoring others of different shades and backgrounds....and we are never told that back in ENT.
Or Andorians just don't give a crap about the differences in human ethnic groups.

I mean why would they we're all a bunch of damned dirty aliens to them.

And, that would have made for some interesting (and challenging) storytelling...

It would be interesting seeing a 'dark-skinned' human - brownskin, dark-brownskin, or yellowskin - calling out Shran or a likeminded Andorian on their racist BS.
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Old July 31 2014, 05:27 PM   #703
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That was an outstanding experience. Well done, everyone!
The idea, the performances (although with Prelude I'm proven right about the Sheep among Wolves), the execution.
Lovely, the "Narrated by John Gill" wink.

And now I have to be the proverbial serpent in the garden:
How can it be, that this production is listed under "Fan Productions"? Just because there is no other section here on The TrekBBS?
Don't get me wrong! I liked what I saw. I'm just asking, how this Axanar should or could be called a Fan Film. Its production values (Cast, SFX, etc.) clearly point to an Independent Film Production. One that also needs crowdfunding to do, what it does.

STC and Phase2 paved the way, I guess. Hell, even Exeter had its professional helpers from the Industry (Hi Dennis and Maurice!) along the way. But Axanar takes it to another level in my opinion.

It's an honest question: Where's the line drawn between a Fan Film and a Star Trek related Independent Production? When fan participation falls under 20%, 10, 5?

And yes, even Ronald D. Moore was a fan, before he got caught very successfully by the Industry...

However... I was very entertained by what I saw!
Would I back such a project? No! When I spend money for movies or TV shows, I do it for something I watch at a Big Screen or buy the DVDs/BluRays.

A real fan film for me is something done by people from their hearts and enthusiasm - because they WANT it to be done and seen.

Thank you for reading! And yes, I'm looking forward to the final product of Axanar in 2015!

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Old July 31 2014, 05:47 PM   #704
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An independent film can still be sold commercially. A fan film cannot because the Paramount and the CBS and the lawyers and the mmmmglayven, would be my guess.
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Old July 31 2014, 06:09 PM   #705
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wtriker1701 wrote: View Post
Don't get me wrong! I liked what I saw. I'm just asking, how this Axanar should or could be called a Fan Film. Its production values (Cast, SFX, etc.) clearly point to an Independent Film Production. One that also needs crowdfunding to do, what it does.
"Fan film" is a colloquial term with no fixed meaning - to the extent it has one, it has to do with being based on an existing property which is not owned by the folks making the film.
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