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Old September 18 2014, 08:57 PM   #1
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Viewing Order

I'm rerwatching Trek From the beginning in a chronological order. I like Phase II and Continues, and want to include them, but where?

I'm thinking TOS, Continues, TAS, and Phase II. Trivial yes, but curious if anyone else has a comment.
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Old September 18 2014, 09:29 PM   #2
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why wouldn't you take note of the star dates mentioned in each episode, and arrange them chronologically using that method?
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Old September 18 2014, 10:30 PM   #3
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If by TOS stardates:

"Kitumba"' (2623.3) is weirdly back in TOS season one territory, between "The Squire of Gothos" and "What are Little Girls Made Of?"

Farragut's "The Captaincy" lands in TOS season 2, between "The Trouble with Tribbles" and "By Any Other Name".

Continues "Fairest of Them All" has no stardate, but picks up right at the end of second season "Mirror Mirror", so would be immediately after that.

Farragut's "For Want of a Nail" (4847.3) and Exeter's "The Savage Empire" (4946) would occur in that order between "The Paradise Syndrome" and "And the Children Shall Lead". "The Tressaurian Intersection" (5713) would be between "Wink of An Eye" and "Whom Gods Destroy".

The rest would take place after TOS ends, and in this order (guessing where the "unknown" stardate eps would land).

Farragut "The Price of Anything" (5133.4)
NV/P2 "Come What May" (6010.1)
NV/P2 "In Harms Way" (unknown)
NV/P2 "To Serve All My Days" (6021.2)
NV/P2 "World Enough and Time" (unknown)
TAS "How Sharper Than A Serpent's Tooth" (6063.4)
Continues "Pilgrim of Eternity" (6147.3)
Continues "Lolani" (6154.1)
NV/P2 "Blood and Fire (6429.2)
Farragut "Conspiracy of Innocence" (6594.3)
TAS "The Counter-Clock Incident" (6770.3)
NV/P2 "Enemy Starfleet" (7232.5)
NV/P2 "The Child" (9717.7)

You can sort in The Animated Series yourselves.
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Old September 19 2014, 12:14 AM   #4
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Don't know what ST: Excalibur's vignette has for a stardate, but it obviously takes place some months after season 2's ''The Ultimate Computer'' episode...
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Old September 19 2014, 12:52 AM   #5
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Re: Viewing Order

I'm disinclined to use stardates. They are meaningless. (Well, we can't divine their meaning from back in 2014.) I n
note that animated episode "The Magicks of Megas-Tu" has the earliest stardate of all the episodes--TOS or TAS (1254.4).

Our episodes in "in-universe" order are:

"Come What May"
"In Harm's Way"
"No Win Scenario"
"To Serve All My Days"
"Center Seat"
"World Enough and Time" (It was also mentioned that the Romulan cloaking device from "The Enterprise Incident" had been obtained by the Federation "18 months ago."
"Blood and Fire"
"Enemy: Starfleet!"
"The Child"
"Kitumba"
"Boldly Going"
"Bread and Savagery"
"The Holiest Thing"

I would watch our episodes in the above order.

The oddity we will be facing is that James seems to have decided to set "Mind-Sifter" back during the TOS three year mission. I'm not sure exactly when it's supposed to be, except that we seem to have meet Kor (from "Errand of Mercy") and we know about The Guardian (from "City on the Edge of Forever"). And, no doubt, folks will find some anachronisms. (I think Scotty still had his P2 Commander braid rather than his TOS Lieutenant Commander stripes. Woops.)

I'm not sure when other productions are meant to be taking place.
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Old September 19 2014, 01:18 AM   #6
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Re: Viewing Order

Bixby wrote: View Post
Don't know what ST: Excalibur's vignette has for a stardate, but it obviously takes place some months after season 2's ''The Ultimate Computer'' episode...
Updated to include that and Valiant and the animated Farragut shows.

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If by TOS stardates:

"Kitumba"' (2623.3) is weirdly back in TOS season one territory, between "The Squire of Gothos" and "What are Little Girls Made Of?"

Farragut's "The Captaincy" lands in TOS season 2, between "The Trouble with Tribbles" and "By Any Other Name".

Continues "Fairest of Them All" has no stardate, but picks up right at the end of second season "Mirror Mirror", so would be immediately after that.

Farragut's "For Want of a Nail" (4847.3) and Exeter's "The Savage Empire" (4946) would occur in that order between "The Paradise Syndrome" and "And the Children Shall Lead". "The Tressaurian Intersection" (5713) would be between "Wink of An Eye" and "Whom Gods Destroy".

The rest would take place after TOS ends, and in this order (guessing where the "unknown" stardate eps would land).

Farragut "The Price of Anything" (5133.4)
Excalibur "Homecoming"(5834.6)
NV/P2 "Come What May" (6010.1)
NV/P2 "In Harms Way" (unknown)
NV/P2 "To Serve All My Days" (6021.2)
NV/P2 "World Enough and Time" (unknown)
Farragut Animated "The Needs of the Many" (6047.1)
Farragut Animated "Power Source" (6050.5)

TAS "How Sharper Than A Serpent's Tooth" (6063.4)
Continues "Pilgrim of Eternity" (6147.3)
Continues "Lolani" (6154.1)
NV/P2 "Blood and Fire (6429.2)
Farragut "Conspiracy of Innocence" (6594.3)
TAS "The Counter-Clock Incident" (6770.3)
NV/P2 "Enemy Starfleet" (7232.5)
NV/P2 "The Child" (9717.7)
Secret Voyage "Whose Birth These Triumphs Are" and "Rise of the Gondgdea" (unknown) supposedly take place after the end of the Enterprise's 5 year mission, so would be after all the Phase 2 stuff I guess.

Starship Valiant "Legacy" (unknown)

You can sort in The Animated Series yourselves.
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Old September 19 2014, 01:50 AM   #7
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Re: Viewing Order

I think someone over on the Hidden Frontier board did a timeline with all the Fan Series. This was several years ago, don't know if it's been updated.
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Old September 19 2014, 04:03 AM   #8
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Timeline . Here is another one from the Hidden Frontier forum: http://forums.hiddenfrontier.com/ind...pic=14711&st=0 . More timelines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Star_Trek ; http://sto.gamepedia.com/Chronology
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Old September 21 2014, 06:35 AM   #9
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Stardates had no real consistency before TNG.

Secret Voyage would be hard to reconcile sine Phase II began modifying the Enterprise. While I enjoy most fan productions, that's why limited the question to Star Trek Continues and Phase II.
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Old September 21 2014, 08:53 AM   #10
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Stardates had no real consistency before TNG.

Secret Voyage would be hard to reconcile sine Phase II began modifying the Enterprise. While I enjoy most fan productions, that's why limited the question to Star Trek Continues and Phase II.
If you care about logical continuity then Star Trek and fanfims about it may be the wrong place to look.
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Old September 21 2014, 12:43 PM   #11
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Thank you, but I believe I stated that in my original post.
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Old September 22 2014, 01:36 AM   #12
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Since both are separate 'Year 4's we don't know where they go but I'm (for now) calling Continues Season 4 and NV/Phase II Season 5.

I've placed the first two episodes each of Exeter and Farragut during Season 2, Episode 3 and the Animated Farragut are after Season 3
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Old September 22 2014, 02:08 AM   #13
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I think - though I'm not sure - that Jimm Johnson provided the stardate for "The Tressaurian Intersection." I assumed when I was writing it that it took place later than "The Tholian Web," and the stardate is consistent with that.
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GSchnitzer wrote: View Post

The oddity we will be facing is that James seems to have decided to set "Mind-Sifter" back during the TOS three year mission. I'm not sure exactly when it's supposed to be, except that we seem to have meet Kor (from "Errand of Mercy") and we know about The Guardian (from "City on the Edge of Forever"). And, no doubt, folks will find some anachronisms. (I think Scotty still had his P2 Commander braid rather than his TOS Lieutenant Commander stripes. Woops.)

I'm not sure when other productions are meant to be taking place.
So I take it that we'll be seeing the pre-PII refit E make it's appearance.
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The oddity we will be facing is that James seems to have decided to set "Mind-Sifter" back during the TOS three year mission. I'm not sure exactly when it's supposed to be, except that we seem to have meet Kor (from "Errand of Mercy") and we know about The Guardian (from "City on the Edge of Forever"). And, no doubt, folks will find some anachronisms. (I think Scotty still had his P2 Commander braid rather than his TOS Lieutenant Commander stripes. Woops.)

I'm not sure when other productions are meant to be taking place.
So I take it that we'll be seeing the pre-PII refit E make it's appearance.
Yes, it'll be a TOS Enterprise. And the other thing we'll probably do to reflect that this is a TOS-era story and not a P2 era story is to use our old "New Yoyages" credits rather than our "Phase II" credits
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