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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old October 19 2012, 03:42 PM   #1
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What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

Let me explain what I mean. They needed to undo the ending of TWOK, with Spock dying, since Nimoy was going to come back and be in more Star Trek movies. So they created an entire movie around bringing him back, and tying up some other plot threads from TWOK(Kirk's son, the Genesis planet, etc.)


Yet what if they'd gone a different direction? ESB left off with a character in need of being brought back, too -Han Solo. Yet the entire plot of ROTJ wasn't "the rescue of Han Solo." That was only about the first 35-45 minutes of the film.

What if TSFS had dropped the whole "opposition from Starfleet," "stealing the Enterprise" stuff, and just had Kirk take the ship back to Genesis, pick up Spock, fight the Klingons, and bring Spock to Vulcan?

Actually, you could skip the whole fight with the Klingons and just have The Genesis planet destroy itself because it was unstable or something.



I guess my point is-what if they had done an entirely original plot after bringing Spock back early in the film, instead of taking the entire film just to undo his death? Don't get me wrong, I like TSFS, it's just that I've always felt that they kind of wasted one of only a handful of original crew movies we got with just bringing Spock back to be in future movies. Seems to me they could have brought him back early in the movie and then had something else to deal with.


(it's kind of like fan speculation about TVH before it came out. Many fans thought that a large part of the movie would focus on Kirk and crew facing Courts Martial or the consequences of their actions in TSFS in some big way. It turned out that only took up like fifteen minutes of the movie at the very end, and the very beginning.)
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Old October 19 2012, 06:59 PM   #2
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

The Trial of James T. Kirk, by Peter David and Gordon Purcell should've been a Star Trek movie!
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Old October 19 2012, 07:02 PM   #3
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

The only thing I didn't like about the movie is that we don't get any Spock until the end.
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Old October 19 2012, 07:38 PM   #4
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

It would have gone like this...

SPOCK (Ghostly): Jim. Jim! You must go to the Genesis system.
KIRK: Genesis system?
SPOCK (Ghostly): There you will learn from Yo-- er, there you will find my body and take it back to Vulcan. (Fades away)
KIRK: Spock! Spock!
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Old October 19 2012, 07:43 PM   #5
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

That opening rescue of Han is a colossal waste of time. It's 30 minutes of a movie that has nothing to do with the rest of the story. I'm glad Trek III is all about rescuing Mr. Spock.
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Old October 19 2012, 09:38 PM   #6
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

The rescue of Han Solo was the only interesting thing in Return of the Jedi.
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Old October 19 2012, 09:53 PM   #7
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

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The rescue of Han Solo was the only interesting thing in Return of the Jedi.



It sure was better than any time spent with the merchandis...I mean Ewoks.
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Old October 19 2012, 09:54 PM   #8
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

It is a very uninteresting movie...
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Old October 19 2012, 09:57 PM   #9
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

Weren't the Star Wars movies a little serial(y) and episodic?

You know 30 minutes on Hoth, 30 minutes in the asteroid field, 30 minutes on Degobah?

Seems like it was not just a straight narative kind of movie series.
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Old October 20 2012, 01:06 PM   #10
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

Kirk and co. head to Genesis, find a planet full of Muppets?
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Old October 20 2012, 01:48 PM   #11
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?



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Old October 20 2012, 04:18 PM   #12
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

I can see that I should have chosen a different title for the thread.
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Old October 20 2012, 05:02 PM   #13
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

Nah, if they just resurrect Spock that easy, it cheapens his sacrifice in the previous movie even more.
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Old October 21 2012, 04:14 PM   #14
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

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The rescue of Han Solo was the only interesting thing in Return of the Jedi.



It sure was better than any time spent with the merchandis...I mean Ewoks.
Zing!

Never liked Jedi, but Search for Spock was different though. Spock had the whole friendship with Jim that no one wanted to ever end, he was everyones favourite pointy-eared fella and there was a lot more riding on getting him back than Solo. The rebels in SW weren't as part of the one team, or more like 'family' that TOS cast had, it just wouldnt have been the same without him, so Im glad they made it they way they did.
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Old October 21 2012, 09:01 PM   #15
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Re: What if Search for Spock were more like Return of the Jedi?

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Nah, if they just resurrect Spock that easy, it cheapens his sacrifice in the previous movie even more.

OK, I can see this point. By making the entire next movie be about bringing him back, and by making it difficult, it doesn't cheapen TWOK's ending quite as much.
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