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Old September 25 2012, 02:53 AM   #16
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Re: TWOK What If--Khan wins

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Then what? What is Khan's plan? What does he do next?
I think the point of Khan was that he was a megalomaniac. He, like Ahab (and Picard in First Contact) was totally consumed with revenge. He had no plan.
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Old September 27 2012, 02:02 PM   #17
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Umm, it should probably be pointed out that Ahab, even if mad as a hatter, had a very careful and perfectly workable plan for catching Moby Dick. He might not have outlined the course of his life beyond the successful kill, but that's quite different from lacking a plan due to madness.

Khan was sort of the reverse Ahab: his madness was built into his character where Ahab was the immaculate Quaker; his plan of revenge was haphazard where Ahab's was detailed; his skills with his trade were outdated or nonexistent where Ahab was up to date on all aspects of whaling; and his worries would have just begun with the killing of Kirk where Ahab would have lived happily ever after and capitalized on his improved whaling skills and reputation, had Moby Dick just had the decency to die in his hands.

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Old September 27 2012, 03:07 PM   #18
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Re: TWOK What If--Khan wins

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Or he could have just picked up the users' manual, Starships for Dummies, and followed along the starhip new users tour as the talking paperclip showed him how to fire torpedoes.
Lucky for Khan, Terrell kept a copy of this stashed under his seat cushion:

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Old September 27 2012, 03:17 PM   #19
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Umm, it should probably be pointed out that Ahab, even if mad as a hatter, had a very careful and perfectly workable plan for catching Moby Dick. He might not have outlined the course of his life beyond the successful kill, but that's quite different from lacking a plan due to madness.
I disagree, perhaps you misinterpreted my statement.

The OP's question is "Let us imagine that Khan wins in TWOK. Then what? What is Khan's plan?"

Khan, like Ahab, had no plan for AFTER they've achieved their ultimate goal. After being exiled on Ceti Alpha V, his entire life's purpose became killing James Kirk. He became so consumed with this desire that I don't believe Khan had any reason to live beyond ensuring that Kirk dies. If Khan had been successful and killed Kirk, I don't believe he had any aspirations as far as what to do next. He wouldn't threaten the galaxy, he wouldn't have any demands, he probably wouldn't even return to Earth.
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Old September 27 2012, 03:34 PM   #20
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I just wanted to emphasize that Ahab, being neither criminal nor outcast, had no need for a "beyond" plan; with the death of Moby Dick, he'd be done. Lack of concern for the future would not bite back at him.

Khan in turn did have a pressing need for such a plan, as all possible outcomes of his original revenge spree would leave him a fugitive. With the death of Kirk, he'd be facing challenges greater than ever before.

Then again, Khan had shown competence at improvising when his original plans of killing Kirk fell apart; he quickly came up with the option of leaving Kirk marooned inside Regula and just destroying his starship. We might argue that, despite his debilitating obsession, he was still capable of coming up with plans very quickly, and would survive the completion of his revenge and start planning for continuing survival. And after pulling off that, he'd be hungry for more, and would indeed proceed with conquest of the universe or whatnot.

Madness might mean Khan had no plan originally, but it would not mean there would be no "what if" when he finally defeated Kirk.

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