RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 141,373
Posts: 5,504,203
Members: 25,126
Currently online: 396
Newest member: Ted Dave

TrekToday headlines

New Abrams Project
By: T'Bonz on Dec 18

IDW Publishing March 2015 Comics
By: T'Bonz on Dec 17

Paramount Star Trek 3 Expectations
By: T'Bonz on Dec 17

Star Trek #39 Sneak Peek
By: T'Bonz on Dec 16

Star Trek 3 Potential Director Shortlist
By: T'Bonz on Dec 16

Official Starships Collection Update
By: T'Bonz on Dec 15

Retro Review: Prodigal Daughter
By: Michelle on Dec 13

Sindicate Lager To Debut In The US Next Week
By: T'Bonz on Dec 12

Rumor Mill: Saldana Gives Birth
By: T'Bonz on Dec 12

New Line of Anovos Enterprise Uniforms
By: T'Bonz on Dec 11


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies I-X

Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 21 2012, 08:19 PM   #106
Grant
Fleet Captain
 
Grant's Avatar
 
Re: Generations deleted scenes

^^My thoughts too.

Nobody at UCLA is a Trek nut?!?

Well if Paramount claims they can't locate the deleted footage for any future DVD/Blu-ray release--all they have to do is copy the UCLA version and release the footage in B & W.
Grant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 21 2012, 08:20 PM   #107
22 Stars
Commodore
 
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Is there an existing thread that you started about this, sounds like a fun journey and a great find.
22 Stars is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 21 2012, 08:20 PM   #108
Oso Blanco
Commodore
 
Oso Blanco's Avatar
 
Location: Berlin, Germany
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Grant wrote: View Post
the mentioning of Sulu's promotion to captain of Excelsior
Is this the scene where Sulu's line got cut off in the shuttle?
__________________
Time is the fire in which we burn
Oso Blanco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 21 2012, 08:22 PM   #109
22 Stars
Commodore
 
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Oso Blanco wrote: View Post
Grant wrote: View Post
the mentioning of Sulu's promotion to captain of Excelsior
Is this the scene where Sulu's line got cut off in the shuttle?
Yeah, that cutting Sulu's line while his mouth is still open always bugs me!
22 Stars is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 21 2012, 08:24 PM   #110
Grant
Fleet Captain
 
Grant's Avatar
 
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Oso Blanco wrote: View Post
Grant wrote: View Post
the mentioning of Sulu's promotion to captain of Excelsior
Is this the scene where Sulu's line got cut off in the shuttle?

Yes! It's a mere 15 seconds cut and NO Shatner did not botch it on purpose. His best performance--no, but did he throw the scene? NO.

And there is an added line (not in the script) by McCoy where McCoy enthusiastically congatulates Sulu---that i assume they added to counter the monotone delivery by shatner.

It COULD have been used and noone would have raised an eyebrow about the performances. They cut it for other reasons.
Grant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 21 2012, 08:26 PM   #111
Grant
Fleet Captain
 
Grant's Avatar
 
Re: Generations deleted scenes

22 Stars wrote: View Post
Oso Blanco wrote: View Post
Grant wrote: View Post
the mentioning of Sulu's promotion to captain of Excelsior
Is this the scene where Sulu's line got cut off in the shuttle?
Yeah, that cutting Sulu's line while his mouth is still open always bugs me!

Me too. and if you use freeze frame it's cut both before AND after the exterior cutaway. You can see his mouth opening and closing at both ends of the final version.

In the workprint he finally gets to be heard!
Grant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 21 2012, 08:27 PM   #112
Oso Blanco
Commodore
 
Oso Blanco's Avatar
 
Location: Berlin, Germany
Re: Generations deleted scenes

So how did Sulu finish his line?
__________________
Time is the fire in which we burn
Oso Blanco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 21 2012, 08:34 PM   #113
Grant
Fleet Captain
 
Grant's Avatar
 
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Oso Blanco wrote: View Post
So how did Sulu finish his line?

He says,

"Any chance to go aboard Enterprise (however briefly, is always a chance for nostalgia." Kirk-"With Spock in command, any chance I'll turn up anything?")

Then the exterior cutaway and then Kirk says

("By the end of the month you'll have your command--U.S.S. Excelsior.
McCoy--"Well congratulations Commander."
Sulu--"Thank you sir, I've looked forward to that for a long time!)

Resume---
Kirk--"Well I for one am happy to have you at the helm...."

They cut Sulu off at 'however' and it comes back as he says 'time' in the theatrical version.
Grant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 21 2012, 10:30 PM   #114
los2188
Commander
 
los2188's Avatar
 
Location: North Carolina
Re: Generations deleted scenes

I apologize for my comments and behaviour. I reached the very end of my patience. People are free to think what they want, and I joined this site to talk all things Trek and have fun. My apologies for name calling. All my best to you Grant.
__________________
Darling, you remain as aesthetically pleasing as the first day we met. I believe I am the most fortunate sentient in this sector of the galaxy.
los2188 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 21 2012, 10:39 PM   #115
Grant
Fleet Captain
 
Grant's Avatar
 
Re: Generations deleted scenes

los2188 wrote: View Post
I apologize for my comments and behaviour. I reached the very end of my patience. People are free to think what they want, and I joined this site to talk all things Trek and have fun. My apologies for name calling. All my best to you Grant.

Accepted. No problem. Life is too short to hold a grudge over this kind of thing. Best to you.

And I apologize as well! Too harsh in some posts--I admit!

Last edited by Grant; September 21 2012 at 11:01 PM.
Grant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 22 2012, 01:32 AM   #116
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Grant wrote: View Post
Yes! It's a mere 15 seconds cut and NO Shatner did not botch it on purpose. His best performance--no, but did he throw the scene? NO.
He may have been doing the other off-camera Shatner standard. Crossing his eyes, or looking bored, while his screen mate attempted delivery of their closeups.

Just ask Yvonne Craig.
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 22 2012, 09:49 AM   #117
wahwahkits
Commander
 
Location: England, somewhere between Liverpool and Chester
View wahwahkits's Twitter Profile
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Robin Curtis had issues with Shatner too
wahwahkits is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 22 2012, 07:05 PM   #118
Grant
Fleet Captain
 
Grant's Avatar
 
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Therin of Andor wrote: View Post
Grant wrote: View Post
Yes! It's a mere 15 seconds cut and NO Shatner did not botch it on purpose. His best performance--no, but did he throw the scene? NO.
He may have been doing the other off-camera Shatner standard. Crossing his eyes, or looking bored, while his screen mate attempted delivery of their closeups.

Just ask Yvonne Craig.
He may have been doing whatever whenever, but the scene as cut into the movie was fine--could have been used and it would have worked. They cut it for another reason.
Also Takei's performance was fine as well--he wasn't looking at Shatner--he's staring out the pod window 'piloting the shuttle'. I guess it's a blessing to do a scene with shatner and not have to look at him!

Last edited by Grant; September 22 2012 at 07:40 PM.
Grant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 22 2012, 08:41 PM   #119
CaptainStoner
Knuckle-dragging TNZ Denizen
 
CaptainStoner's Avatar
 
Location: Hill dweller
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Los, you look great for 5 kids. Just sayin'
CaptainStoner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 24 2012, 03:14 AM   #120
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: Generations deleted scenes

Grant wrote: View Post
He may have been doing whatever whenever, but the scene as cut into the movie was fine--could have been used and it would have worked. They cut it for another reason.
It's no secret that they only put the scene in the script as the final tempter to get Takei to sign a contract. He had held out till one day after principal photography started, IIRC. He said if the role was a repeat of TMP, just sitting and piloting, then he wasn't interested because Sulu would have moved on by now. It has been suggested that Bennett and Meyer were never really serious about keeping the line in, but there was still hope - and the vague promise that future ST films might have meatier roles. George often says that the actors always took each ST film one at a time; they assumed each one was "the last one".

But... you said "NO Shatner did not botch it on purpose" and Takei himself told me - in 1984, at his house - long before he started mentioning it at conventions or in his autobiography - that Shatner deliberately did his renowned Shatner trick (which often meant that the only usable take is a Shatner closeup rather than the other person in a scene). So if that makes George a liar in your book, so be it. He seemed genuine enough at the time and it wasn't onstage bravado to hundreds of amused fans, it was a quiet chat over green tea.

I guess it's a blessing to do a scene with shatner and not have to look at him!
Perhaps George was trying not to look at Shatner, who was off-camera crossing his eyes or doing bored-face.
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:17 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.