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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 19 2012, 10:22 PM   #61
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Re: Generations deleted scenes

I can vaguely remember the letter as well as an avid reader of said magazine many moons ago, I can't really remember what the response was though. I'm fairly certain it wasn't to the effect of "Yes, you are right, the scene was in the cinema and then removed", I think it may have been more of a vague "Hmm, we're not sure, does anyone else remember seeing this?" type response.

Watching back the scene of the saucer section getting obliterated during the destruction of Veridian III, there doesn't really look like there's time to cut away to the interior of the bridge: its only about 4 seconds long, so any cutaway would a) only be about a second long and b) would make a short scene into two incredibly shorter scenes.

A glance at the final draft of the script doesn't provide any clues either:
149 NEW ANGLE- THE PLATEAU (VFX-I) 149

as the RIBBON OF ENERGY TEARS ACROSS THE SCENE IN A
TERRIFYING TORRENT OF LIGHT AND SOUND. THE SCENE IS
WASHED OUT BY A BLINDING FLOOD OF RED LIGHT... Then
suddenly the Ribbon is GONE... and so are Picard and
Soran. The plateau is strangely and utterly SILENT
after the passage of the Ribbon... even the birds have
stopped chirping in the trees.

150 EXT. SPACE- VERIDIAN III (VFX-I) 150

As the ENERGY RIBBON rushes past the camera, a HUGE
SHOCKWAVE from the destroyed star HITS the planet and
it EXPLODES in a blast of fiery debris.
So it wasn't scripted, but then neither was the shot of the Enterprise on the surface.

On a slightly related note, I never noticed until the Blu-ray that the shot where Picard and Soran fade away as they taken by the Nexus has a rather obvious (now) looking CGI Patrick Stewart.

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Old September 19 2012, 10:41 PM   #62
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I wondered that too. How much time was there for a cutaway from the exterior shot to an interior shot and then back again. It was a really quick thing. The blast blowing by the ship--it's not like it was in slo-mo or anything where they could cut away and then go back.

Also, I may be mistaken on this, aren't there people standing on the hull when the blast hits?
If other people had time to get outside, why would the bridge crew be hanging around the shattered bridge--more likely they'd be directing the evacualtion of the saucer.
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Old September 19 2012, 10:53 PM   #63
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Here you go....

insert interior shot of bridge crew vaporization into this shot!

Good luck.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy0759Pd5J0

Entire shot of saucer is three seconds.
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Old September 19 2012, 10:58 PM   #64
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I wondered that too. How much time was there for a cutaway from the exterior shot to an interior shot and then back again. It was a really quick thing. The blast blowing by the ship--it's not like it was in slo-mo or anything where they could cut away and then go back.
Indeed, in fact the exterior shot itself is a cutaway as the shot changes from space (the planet disintegrating), then to the shot of the saucer section, and then back to the planet shot again. To have a third shot to be cutting to and then back out again wouldn't have worked IMO.

Also, I may be mistaken on this, aren't there people standing on the hull when the blast hits?
If other people had time to get outside, why would the bridge crew be hanging around the shattered bridge--more likely they'd be directing the evacualtion of the saucer.
There are little people moving about on the hull and you see them get hit by the shockwave, always found that quite disturbing for some reason.
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Old September 19 2012, 11:02 PM   #65
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There are little people moving about on the hull and you see them get hit by the shockwave, always found that quite disturbing for some reason.[/QUOTE]

The reason I find it disturbing is because those people see it coming while those still inside do not.

Talk about an "Oh crap." moment.

Painless though, I suspect.
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Old September 20 2012, 02:23 AM   #66
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Grant,I've got to say that as I've followed this thread from the beginning and I've agreed with absolutely everything you've said.

The OP is either mistaken or lying.

Those scenes he claims to have seen do not exist.

Except they do exist. All of the scenes the OP mentioned (and more) are either on the internet or in the bonus features of the Collectors Edition DVD. Obviously these scenes weren't in the theatrical release. But maybe the OP saw an earlier version at a test screening or something. Generations probably had the most scenes that were almost in the film but weren't, out of all the Star Trek movies (usually a sign of a very troubled movie).
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Old September 20 2012, 02:57 AM   #67
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Can we please knock off this "lying" crap? The OP has been very respectful for the most part and there's no reason to tar him with that word. If you believe he's mistaken, that's fine, but there's no evidence of "an intentional false statement" on his part, and it's unseemly to suggest otherwise.
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Old September 20 2012, 04:17 AM   #68
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I do appreciate the effort to calm things down a bit and not being so rude and dismissive. Ladies and gentlemen....ladies again cuz I love the ladies...I remember the shower scene and the torture scene VERY clearly because of the impression and subsequent comments made between my buddy and I regarding the scenes. I am willing to admit that I could be wrong about the emotional over-load concerning Data, but the comment was made between my friend and I about Data possibly thinking of his sexual encounter with Tasha Yar. The shower scene I know was there because again, it was one of those...ah ha moments regarding the 24th century. Also the torture scene I remember very clearly because of the Roots and Kunte Kinte comment made. I will say this...I can't speak on another other deleted scene. I can't speak of the Chekov mourning scene, the Lursa and B'tor discovery scene with Data being "concerned", nor any crashing scenes or alternative ending and Christmas at the Picards scene. Believe it, or not, but I am 100% certain I saw the 2 scenes as I've mentioned. Now let me ask you guys this... I never did see the Trek 09 in the movie theaters when it was out, but I do recall reading someone's post regarding that movie. He said that in the beginning of the movie after the Kelvin was destroyed, they had the Klingon takeover scene where the Klingons told the Narada to power down or be destroyed and that as soon as everyone in the movie theater heard Klingon's speaking Klingonese, the crowd clapped with pleasure because at that point "it seemed like a real Star Trek movie." So was that scene not ever in Trek 09?? The main point of all this post was to again pose the question if a deleted scene was considered canon because obviously these scenes show up, and then are gone depending on where you're watching it and how...
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Old September 20 2012, 10:23 AM   #69
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People claim to have seen lots of things that they haven't. Human memory is very faulty. Every time we remember something we rewrite it in our memory. It's like our brains play they own game of "telephone" and the story changes. So while I can't say what you did or didn't see, it's not surprising that people would be skeptical.
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Old September 20 2012, 03:50 PM   #70
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Generations is the only TNG film I didn't see the work print of, sadly. I was with Paramount in NY for 15 years starting in 1996, and an intern there prior to that in the late 80's and early 90's. Also saw a work print for ST VI, incomplete with temp VFX (could see the rod holding the bird of prey as it flew past) and other shots just in story board phase.

The prints we screened for exhibitors for FC, INS and NEM were pretty final cut prints.

I won't debate the veracity of the OP, it's really no big deal either way to me. I will share a personal story though of how SOME print mishaps do occur.

When Truman show opened, my office received a call from Roger Ebert's office wondering why the credits for the film were in FRENCH! He screened it at a Manhattan theater that was part of my territory. In a matter of minutes I was able to track the print, and realized that the last reels of that print were from a Canadian print that should have been recalled and replaced. This one slipped through, making it on screen and in public. I had the reels replaced by the end of the day, but I'm sure there are a lot of confused people out there on why Peter Wier chose to put the credits in French.
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Old September 20 2012, 05:11 PM   #71
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Grant,I've got to say that as I've followed this thread from the beginning and I've agreed with absolutely everything you've said.

The OP is either mistaken or lying.

Those scenes he claims to have seen do not exist.

Except they do exist. All of the scenes the OP mentioned (and more) are either on the internet or in the bonus features of the Collectors Edition DVD. Obviously these scenes weren't in the theatrical release. But maybe the OP saw an earlier version at a test screening or something. Generations probably had the most scenes that were almost in the film but weren't, out of all the Star Trek movies (usually a sign of a very troubled movie).

But they DONT exist in FINISHED FORM. The OP states he saw both a tape of Nemesis shot in a theater (recently!) AND Generations in the theater in FINISHED form as well.

We know those deleted scenes did not have finished FX.

Lying? Who knows. Doesn't matter.
Mistaken? For sure.
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Old September 20 2012, 06:28 PM   #72
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I too remember reading about this scene in the UK Star Trek magazine. Wasn't it a fan letter to the editors mentioning they had seen this scene at the cinema?
I saw Generations at the cinema in Ireland but I don't remember seeing this scene at all. That's not to say it wasn't there but seems like something I would have noticed when it didn't show up on VHS.
Well, I did have time the other day to look after all, and I looked at the letters page and Fistfull of Data feature for issues 10-30 (it's review if you can call it that was around issue 10) and see no mention of it at all.

The only mention of the movie release on VHS on the letters page was a reply to numerous complaints that it didn't come with collectors coins that had been suggested in an earlier mention.

So if it was in a magazine, I don't think it was Star Trek Monthly. Starburst perhaps?
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Old September 20 2012, 06:49 PM   #73
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This thread, ironically comes after I, in actual fact, was finally able to see the 'workprint' of TWOK at UCLA.

I don't feel special or want a pat on the back, but I do feel extremly lucky that after 30 years I was able to see almost all the deleted scenes from TWOK that I first read about in 1982.

It was the longest case of finally being able to 'scratch that itch' in my life.

Now it's only that Kim Basinger thing.
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Old September 20 2012, 06:52 PM   #74
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Old September 20 2012, 06:56 PM   #75
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Damn, that Menagarie dialogue holds up. If Cage/Menagarie was the ONLY Trek there was, it would still be impressive.
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