Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships

blssdwlf · September 13 2012, 03:52 AM

Well after cobbling together a TOS-era Defiant-type ship I decided to whip up a Miranda/Reliant version as well.

sbk1234 · September 13 2012, 04:13 AM

These are really cool.

blssdwlf · September 13 2012, 09:24 AM

@sbk1234 - Thanks

Some refinements on the TOS Miranda...

CorporalCaptain · September 13 2012, 10:10 AM

Nice.

So, how are you handling the main deflector? Are you going to just say to heck with it, it's not on the TWOK Reliant either?

Mytran · September 13 2012, 12:29 PM

Wasn't the big dish more of a main sensor than a deflector in TOS, anyway? Whenever deflectors are mentiontioned in TOS it is always in the plural, suggesting a variety of systems.

The notion of a single deflector dish is very much a TNG thing

As regards your ship designs, Blssdwlf, they look very nice! I particularly like the inclusion of the clamshell shuttlebay doors on the back of the Reliant, it really grounds the design in that period.

blssdwlf · September 13 2012, 01:43 PM

@CorporalCaptain - Bingo. The Reliant doesn't have it (and all her type continue not to have one even thru DS9

)

@Mytran - Thanks

I agree, the whole "deflector dish" is a TNG thing. You are correct that in TOS (and TOS movies) the deflectors are mentioned in plural (plus they fly around sideways and backwards at warp necessitating 360 protection.) The big dish I attributed it as part of the sensor equipment. I'm not finished with the placement of the nacelle pylons and rollbar but happy with the aft hull shape.

CorporalCaptain · September 13 2012, 06:50 PM

Excellent.

blssdwlf · September 14 2012, 04:04 AM

Re-positioned the rollbar and nacelle pylons. I think this will be their final positions...

Tiberius · September 14 2012, 07:12 AM

Looking good.

Kaiser · September 14 2012, 05:03 PM

Good stuff there

blssdwlf · September 15 2012, 03:25 AM

@Tiberius and Kaiser - Thanks

Some more cleaning up of the aft hull...

blssdwlf · September 15 2012, 05:32 AM

Last one for tonight.

WIPs for
Kirk's TOS Enterprise
Pre-Pike Enterprise (as seen on computer monitor)
TOS Miranda/Reliant
TOS Destroyer (based on Jester class, modeled by Forbin)
TOS Escort (based on DS9 Defiant)
TOS Attack Craft

blssdwlf · September 16 2012, 06:23 PM

and while I was thinking about it, a TOS Constellation-class.

Kaiser · September 16 2012, 09:51 PM

Looks cool

JES · September 16 2012, 11:27 PM

I think that the interconnecting dorsal and ventral appendages that hold up the nacelle pylons would be more akin to the neck of most class one starships, only facing in "reverse". Not exact, because looking at the Constellation class (refit), the interconnections really only have a passing resemblance.

Other then that, I think you have a really good start on the pre-refit Constellation class.

I have typically thought at first that the Constellation class as she first appeared was what she pretty much looked like at launch, but other TOS-era Constellation models have opened me up to the possibility, and the Constellation kitbashed, greebled look suggests a vessel not in her original design specs. That and the fact that the Enterprise was to be decommissioned at around the same time (ST III) or earlier that the Constellation class was supposed to be in service.

I still think that mostly only the earlier examples would have been built in this configuration, with later examples with higher registries such as the Stargazer probably being built in refit configuration, or in a "Phase II" configuration, but if the Larson and Loknar classes can originate in the TOS-era, so can the Constellation class.

September 13 2012, 03:52 AM	#1
blssdwlf Commodore	Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships Well after cobbling together a TOS-era Defiant-type ship I decided to whip up a Miranda/Reliant version as well.

September 13 2012, 04:13 AM	#2
sbk1234 Rear Admiral Location: Los Angeles	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships These are really cool. __________________ In all the history of the world, a riot has NEVER broken out at a Sci-Fi convention. "It's a fucking TV show!" - Gary Lockwood

September 13 2012, 09:24 AM	#3
blssdwlf Commodore	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships @sbk1234 - Thanks Some refinements on the TOS Miranda... Last edited by blssdwlf; September 13 2012 at 01:48 PM.

September 13 2012, 10:10 AM	#4
CorporalCaptain Vice Admiral Location: In pre-production	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships Nice. So, how are you handling the main deflector? Are you going to just say to heck with it, it's not on the TWOK Reliant either? __________________ John

September 13 2012, 12:29 PM	#5
Mytran Fleet Captain Location: Llandudno	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships Wasn't the big dish more of a main sensor than a deflector in TOS, anyway? Whenever deflectors are mentiontioned in TOS it is always in the plural, suggesting a variety of systems. The notion of a single deflector dish is very much a TNG thing As regards your ship designs, *Blssdwlf*, they look very nice! I particularly like the inclusion of the clamshell shuttlebay doors on the back of the Reliant, it really grounds the design in that period.

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September 13 2012, 01:43 PM	#6
blssdwlf Commodore	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships @CorporalCaptain - Bingo. The Reliant doesn't have it (and all her type continue not to have one even thru DS9 ) @Mytran - Thanks I agree, the whole "deflector dish" is a TNG thing. You are correct that in TOS (and TOS movies) the deflectors are mentioned in plural (plus they fly around sideways and backwards at warp necessitating 360 protection.) The big dish I attributed it as part of the sensor equipment. I'm not finished with the placement of the nacelle pylons and rollbar but happy with the aft hull shape.

September 13 2012, 06:50 PM	#7
CorporalCaptain Vice Admiral Location: In pre-production	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships Excellent. __________________ John

September 14 2012, 04:04 AM	#8
blssdwlf Commodore	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships Re-positioned the rollbar and nacelle pylons. I think this will be their final positions...

September 14 2012, 07:12 AM	#9
Tiberius Commodore	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships Looking good. __________________ The Best of Both Worlds eBook \| Every episode of Trek in viewing order Tiberius

September 14 2012, 05:03 PM	#10
Kaiser Rear Admiral Location: Boyertown, PA as of July 2011	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships Good stuff there __________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/112860258811333/ For all your Sci-fi ship model and mini goodness 3DS Friend code: 0731-4800-6817

September 15 2012, 03:25 AM	#11
blssdwlf Commodore	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships @Tiberius and Kaiser - Thanks Some more cleaning up of the aft hull...

September 15 2012, 05:32 AM	#12
blssdwlf Commodore	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships Last one for tonight. WIPs for Kirk's TOS Enterprise Pre-Pike Enterprise (as seen on computer monitor) TOS Miranda/Reliant TOS Destroyer (based on Jester class, modeled by Forbin) TOS Escort (based on DS9 Defiant) TOS Attack Craft

September 16 2012, 06:23 PM	#13
blssdwlf Commodore	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships and while I was thinking about it, a TOS Constellation-class.

September 16 2012, 09:51 PM	#14
Kaiser Rear Admiral Location: Boyertown, PA as of July 2011	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships Looks cool __________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/112860258811333/ For all your Sci-fi ship model and mini goodness 3DS Friend code: 0731-4800-6817

September 16 2012, 11:27 PM	#15
JES Captain Location: Ocoee, Florida	Re: Blssdwlf's TOS and TOS Movie Era ships I think that the interconnecting dorsal and ventral appendages that hold up the nacelle pylons would be more akin to the neck of most class one starships, only facing in "reverse". Not exact, because looking at the Constellation class (refit), the interconnections really only have a passing resemblance. Other then that, I think you have a really good start on the pre-refit Constellation class. I have typically thought at first that the Constellation class as she first appeared was what she pretty much looked like at launch, but other TOS-era Constellation models have opened me up to the possibility, and the Constellation kitbashed, greebled look suggests a vessel not in her original design specs. That and the fact that the Enterprise was to be decommissioned at around the same time (ST III) or earlier that the Constellation class was supposed to be in service. I still think that mostly only the earlier examples would have been built in this configuration, with later examples with higher registries such as the Stargazer probably being built in refit configuration, or in a "Phase II" configuration, but if the Larson and Loknar classes can originate in the TOS-era, so can the Constellation class.