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Old September 16 2012, 03:42 AM   #1
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Xindi vs the Klingon Empire

Imagine that instead of feeding the Xindi disinfo about Earth and humans, the sphere builders instead told them that it was the Klingons who would be responsible for their extinction.

Fast forward a few months and the Xindi testbed pops out of a vortex and gouges a 2,500 mile scar across the face of Q'nos. Several million Klingons die.

It then crashes and the corpse of a Xindi reptilian pilot is found inside.

What do you imagine would follow on from this? What would the ultimate outcome be?
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Old September 16 2012, 03:44 AM   #2
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Re: Xindi vs the Klingon Empire

I have to imagine the Klingons would have sent an entire fleet after the Xindi. While they'd probably be slower to adapt to the anomolies and wouldn't even try diplomacy, they'd have the sizable fleet to cover a lot of ground, ruthlessness to get information however possible, and combat prowress to destroy it when they find it. They'd probably genocide any Xindi colony they find too while they're at it. I have to think they'd likely find and destroy the weapon before it's launched.
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Old September 16 2012, 04:58 AM   #3
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Re: Xindi vs the Klingon Empire

Agree, the Klingon wouldn't send one ship, this would give them the ability to field multiple dead ends and still make more progress faster than Archer did.

The Xindi wouldn't stand a fucking chance.

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Old September 16 2012, 10:28 AM   #4
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Re: Xindi vs the Klingon Empire

The Klingons have an Empire. The Xindi are a fractious group of nomads who destroyed their own homeworld and could barely hold their counsil together. The Klingons would likely send everything they had, and annihilate the Xindi.

But, the Klingons could never hope to make sense of the spheres or discover their link to the Xindi attack or technobabble the solution seen in "Zero Hour" - so ultimately, Klingon space is rendered uninhabitable when the Delphic Expanse grows and grows, and space is transformed.
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Old September 16 2012, 05:06 PM   #5
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the Klingons could never hope to make sense of the spheres or discover their link to the Xindi attack or technobabble the solution seen in "Zero Hour
I wouldn't be so sure, the Klingons sometime get typecast as knuckle draggers, especially the warriors. But they are a technological people and maintain a interstellar Empire.

The device that both sent Admiral Janeway instantly to precise position in the Delta Quadrant, and moved her through time to an exact moment in time came from a Klingon scientist.

After destroying the Xindi species, it would be easy to see the Klingon at least attempting to incorporate Xindi space into the Empire. They would have in time begun to locate the spheres and discovered their relationship to the expanse.

Remember the Klingons have a fair number of ships and they are a expansive people. It might have taken them a few years longer, but the Klingons would have stopped the spheres effects.

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Old September 16 2012, 05:10 PM   #6
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Re: Xindi vs the Klingon Empire

Yeah, just because the warrior caste gets all the attention doesn't mean the others aren't there. What else do you think happens to those children of people who are dishonored for three generations because they tripped over their daggers?
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Old September 16 2012, 05:20 PM   #7
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Re: Xindi vs the Klingon Empire

This is one of the things I felt Enterprise did right. The Xindi were a powerful and devastating threat indeed, but one episode (I forget which) had a character saying: "If you think the Xindi were bad, the Klingons are going to be much worse." As has been mentioned before, in Enterprise they're pretty far above Starfleet in tech and size.

And for all their emphasis on violence, they've stalemated the Federation and held the Dominion at bay, so in addition to being great scientists and engineers, they're pretty good tacticians, too.

So by comparing the Xindi to the Klingons, that's precisely what a prequel should do if it's hellbent on name dropping and "foretelling", in a sense, the classic enemies.
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Old September 16 2012, 05:26 PM   #8
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Klingons had stronger weapons, shields, would've sent a fleet.

However if they hadn't done the test and just sent the superweapon that would be a different story
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Old September 16 2012, 05:29 PM   #9
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Klingons had stronger weapons, shields, would've sent a fleet.

However if they hadn't done the test and just sent the superweapon that would be a different story
Well that was an epic act of stupidity... not to test the weapon mind you, but testing it on Earth... what happened there? Gee they sent a ship to stop them. Who would have figured?

But this thread isn't about improving the Xindi so much as changing their primary foe.
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Old September 16 2012, 05:34 PM   #10
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Klingons had stronger weapons, shields, would've sent a fleet.

However if they hadn't done the test and just sent the superweapon that would be a different story
Well that was an epic act of stupidity... not to test the weapon mind you, but testing it on Earth... what happened there? Gee they sent a ship to stop them. Who would have figured?

But this thread isn't about improving the Xindi so much as changing their primary foe.
My point was if they'd deployed the superweapon to Qo'noS and not tested it then they could probably have caused a fair bit of chaos.

Actually that would've destabilised the Klingon Empire and got rid of the Xindi, wouldn't that have been better for the Sphere Builders?
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Old September 16 2012, 09:44 PM   #11
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not to test the weapon mind you, but testing it on Earth... what happened there?
If the primary reason for the test, was to test the conduit to send the eventual super weapon to the immediate vicinity Earth, and testing the destructive force of the small sphere after passing through the conduit was of secondary importance, then the test as shown makes sense.

1) Can we get it there?
2) Will it still work?

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Old September 17 2012, 02:24 AM   #12
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Re: Xindi vs the Klingon Empire

One important thing to consider is how would the Klingons know to find the Xindi in the Expanse? The only reason humans knew was because Future Guy told Archer. Though I suppose it's just as likely that Future Guy could have summoned a Klingon captain and explained everything to him.

So really, yeah I agree with the above assessments. The Klingons would have sent a fleet into the Expanse and razed the hell out of it until the Council were executed and the weapon destoyed. Perhaps that's why the Sphere Builders manipulated the Xindi against humans instead of Klingons?
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Old September 17 2012, 02:44 AM   #13
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Depends on who is writing.

Braga, the Xindi would win.
Moore, the Klingons would own them.
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Old September 17 2012, 03:07 AM   #14
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Deimos Anomaly wrote: View Post
Imagine that instead of feeding the Xindi disinfo about Earth and humans, the sphere builders instead told them that it was the Klingons who would be responsible for their extinction.

Fast forward a few months and the Xindi testbed pops out of a vortex and gouges a 2,500 mile scar across the face of Q'nos. Several million Klingons die.

It then crashes and the corpse of a Xindi reptilian pilot is found inside.

What do you imagine would follow on from this? What would the ultimate outcome be?
My own personal theory is that a scenario very similar to this is the reason the Xindi are never seen in the 23rd century or later.
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Old September 17 2012, 05:43 AM   #15
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Do we know the size of the Klingon Emire at at that time?

Did they have many Jagpehwui or whatever they are called races back then?
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