Why the Xindi never appear in TOS / TNG / DS9 / VOY - Page 4

REDrake · September 14 2012, 06:17 AM

Well, we first see andorians in Journey to Babel in TOS. They also appeared in some ST movies.
Enterprise had a very big chance, which unfortunately they blew it. They could've used the show for first contact with various known races, like Bolians, Trill, Betazed or Zakdorn. Instead they decided on Xindi, Suliban or Klingons.
Andorian, Telerites and even Yridians were a nice touch, though. They certainly took their time on designing Andorians as a race.

CorporalCaptain · September 14 2012, 06:22 AM

Andorians have appeared on screen in TOS, TAS, movies, TNG, and ENT [http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Andorian#Appearances].

Tiberius · September 14 2012, 06:58 AM

kythe wrote:

I've wondered why the Denobulans weren't among the founding members of the Federation. Denobula is apparantly close to Earth, they were shown working closely with humans in several episodes, and they even had an ambassador present during the negotiations in "Terra Prime". Yet they are never seen again.

There's at least one Denobulan on the Enterprise E in Elite Force 2.

Ethros · September 14 2012, 01:00 PM

Romulus Prime wrote:

Seriously, why the writing team of this series didn't just utilize previous/established races and expand on them from day 1, I'll never know.

Well they did at first, like how the aliens in "Fight or Flight" were the Axanar, mentioned twice in TOS.
And the villains of "Civilization" were the Malurians, the race Nomad destroyed in TOS "The Changeling."

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Axanar
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Malurian

There are a few more little things like that (like the Tarkaleans, who make the famous Tarkalean Tea http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tarkalean) but yeah I don't know why they didn't keep that up and do more.
The vast majority of aliens and planets encountered in Season 1 & 2 were brand new, and it kinda made the Alpha Quadrant feel too packed full

yenny · September 14 2012, 01:49 PM

Try Xendi Sabu Star System. It is were the Ferengi returned the Stargazer to Picard at. It was mention in The Battle and Bloodline.

Romulus Prime · September 14 2012, 07:04 PM

Nerys Myk wrote:

The Andorians appeared in more ENT episodes than the Klingons. In the long run they were more important to the series than the Klingons.

What I meant was from the start, as in Broken Bow onwards, making them the primary antagonists. IMO, the Klingon stories should have come waaaaay later.

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Ethros wrote:

The vast majority of aliens and planets encountered in Season 1 & 2 were brand new, and it kinda made the Alpha Quadrant feel too packed full

Exactly this. A tease here and there with familiar alien names really should have compromised the majority of episodes. Babylon 5 had tons of races, yet the primary ones they featured had distinct qualities which were expanded upon (depending on the situation.) Same (more or less) with DS9's later Seasons. It gave viewers a sense of focus, and I think that mindset could have potentially let Enterprise go on far longer than it did. If only Season 4 and the Shran arc had been part of Seasons 1 and 2, then have an Andorian-Starfleet conflict in Season 3...

The Wormhole · September 15 2012, 02:47 AM

Well, Berman did think the Andorians looked silly and was hesitant to use them. Hell, The Andorian Incident was originally pitched as The Gorn Incident. Indeed, Enterprise did the most with Andorians in the fourth season, when Berman stepped back and let Manny Coto run the show.

NrobbieC · September 15 2012, 10:40 AM

Really? Gorn are much cooler than Andorians but it would have cost a lot to have cgi'd them in if they appeared as many times as the Andorians did. Gorn should never be a guy in make up.

kythe · September 15 2012, 06:43 PM

I think the Andorians were among the best parts of Enterprise. Shran was a great character, and they 4th season really concentrated on bringing together the 4 founding members of the Federation - Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellerites. It just wouldn't have been the same if they had gone a different direction with the Gorn.

The Wormhole · September 15 2012, 11:20 PM

NrobbieC wrote:

Really? Gorn are much cooler than Andorians but it would have cost a lot to have cgi'd them in if they appeared as many times as the Andorians did. Gorn should never be a guy in make up.

Yeah, it's all explained here.

NrobbieC · September 16 2012, 12:17 AM

Ooh that's interesting, Slar was cooler than the whole of TOS put together pity it would've been as easy to retcon that as they did with say, Trill. But then we would've missed out on Jeffrey Combs playing Shran.

CorporalCaptain · September 16 2012, 12:22 AM

NrobbieC wrote:

Slar was cooler than the whole of TOS put together

No, he wasn't.

NrobbieC · September 16 2012, 03:22 AM

CorporalCaptain wrote:

NrobbieC wrote:

Slar was cooler than the whole of TOS put together

No, he wasn't.

I'll take badass Gorn over dodgy 60s stuff anyday. Just my preference.

CorporalCaptain · September 16 2012, 03:27 AM

NrobbieC wrote:

CorporalCaptain wrote:

NrobbieC wrote:

Slar was cooler than the whole of TOS put together

No, he wasn't.

I'll take badass Gorn over dodgy 60s stuff anyday. Just my preference.

And I'll take Kelinda, for one, over dodgy CGI stuff anyday. Just my preference.

NrobbieC · September 16 2012, 03:29 AM

CorporalCaptain wrote:

NrobbieC wrote:

CorporalCaptain wrote:

No, he wasn't.

I'll take badass Gorn over dodgy 60s stuff anyday. Just my preference.

And I'll take Kelinda, for one, over dodgy CGI stuff anyday. Just my preference.

At least we're both able to enjoy what we enjoy

September 14 2012, 06:17 AM	#46
REDrake Lieutenant Location: Bucharest, Romania	Re: Why the Xindi never appear in TOS / TNG / DS9 / VOY Well, we first see andorians in Journey to Babel in TOS. They also appeared in some ST movies. Enterprise had a very big chance, which unfortunately they blew it. They could've used the show for first contact with various known races, like Bolians, Trill, Betazed or Zakdorn. Instead they decided on Xindi, Suliban or Klingons. Andorian, Telerites and even Yridians were a nice touch, though. They certainly took their time on designing Andorians as a race.

September 14 2012, 06:22 AM	#47
CorporalCaptain Vice Admiral Location: In pre-production	Re: Why the Xindi never appear in TOS / TNG / DS9 / VOY Andorians have appeared on screen in TOS, TAS, movies, TNG, and ENT [http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Andorian#Appearances]. __________________ John

September 14 2012, 01:49 PM	#50
yenny Captain	Re: Why the Xindi never appear in TOS / TNG / DS9 / VOY Try Xendi Sabu Star System. It is were the Ferengi returned the Stargazer to Picard at. It was mention in The Battle and Bloodline.

September 15 2012, 02:47 AM	#52
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: Why the Xindi never appear in TOS / TNG / DS9 / VOY Well, Berman did think the Andorians looked silly and was hesitant to use them. Hell, The Andorian Incident was originally pitched as The Gorn Incident. Indeed, Enterprise did the most with Andorians in the fourth season, when Berman stepped back and let Manny Coto run the show. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.

September 15 2012, 10:40 AM	#53
NrobbieC Commander Location: Burton, UK	Re: Why the Xindi never appear in TOS / TNG / DS9 / VOY Really? Gorn are much cooler than Andorians but it would have cost a lot to have cgi'd them in if they appeared as many times as the Andorians did. Gorn should never be a guy in make up.

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September 15 2012, 06:43 PM	#54
kythe Commander Location: US	Re: Why the Xindi never appear in TOS / TNG / DS9 / VOY I think the Andorians were among the best parts of Enterprise. Shran was a great character, and they 4th season really concentrated on bringing together the 4 founding members of the Federation - Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellerites. It just wouldn't have been the same if they had gone a different direction with the Gorn.

September 16 2012, 12:17 AM	#56
NrobbieC Commander Location: Burton, UK	Re: Why the Xindi never appear in TOS / TNG / DS9 / VOY Ooh that's interesting, Slar was cooler than the whole of TOS put together pity it would've been as easy to retcon that as they did with say, Trill. But then we would've missed out on Jeffrey Combs playing Shran.