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Old September 13 2012, 10:16 PM   #16
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Re: Things I love about Kristen's "Eternal Tide"

Maybe Q,Sr. would be forbidden to do that (just "erase" her) to KJ by the Continuum, well I suppose that he might now be KJ's enemy, and what he may want to do could be part of the next Voyager book!
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Old September 13 2012, 10:44 PM   #17
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Is the any reason that i can find the word "latrine" from a word jumble of Eternal Tide?
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OTHER things I liked about ET...

The author knew something about Voyager!

And I'm not just mentioning the throw away sidebar story about Riley's planet.

Or about how enamored Q junior was re: his "Aunt Kathy".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...TL9sShs#t=561s

I love how she brought that plot line about Seven dying in Voyager's alternate (Endgame) timeline back and fleshed it out. Explaining WHY it had to be Seven on the mission and the mission's importance (i.e. why Janeway "let" her risk her life) to the universe, even if we didn't exactly find out "what" happened the first time around.

I also liked the juxtaposition of who made the ultimate sacrifice in both timelines. Made me think of "Before & After" vs "Year of Hell".

In B&A it was Janeway and Torres that died and Chakotay and Paris that lived with the loss. In YOH it was Chakotay & Paris that were "lost" and Janeway & Torres who lived with the loss.


In "Endgame" it was Seven who died in the futuristic timeline's mission to save the universe...

...and in "Eternal Tide" it was Janeway's other great love, Chakotay, who died on the mission.

I do wonder if Q Junior and Captain Eden are still "alive/self aware" in that "other" continuum, or if it "ate" their energies as it consumed the two.
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Old September 13 2012, 11:01 PM   #18
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Re: Things I love about Kristen's "Eternal Tide"

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Maybe Q,Sr. would be forbidden to do that (just "erase" her) to KJ by the Continuum
In most of Q's appearances he seems free to do whatever he wants with little or no fear of retribution by the continuum. I can't remember the last time we saw them reverse something he did.
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Old September 13 2012, 11:19 PM   #19
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Maybe Q,Sr. would be forbidden to do that (just "erase" her) to KJ by the Continuum
In most of Q's appearances he seems free to do whatever he wants with little or no fear of retribution by the continuum. I can't remember the last time we saw them reverse something he did.
Well in Eternal Tide was said it was forbidden for a Q to send KJ back to human life, so there seemed to be a group "rule" for at least that sort of activity; maybe there is another "no" or two in the Q ethical "playbook."
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Old September 13 2012, 11:20 PM   #20
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Plus the line "You have made an enemy of me today, Kathryn Janeway" is like literary ice water. Brilliant!
I wouldn't want Q as an enemy. He can literally erase Janeway from existence with a thought. Is there going to be something that prevents him from doing this?
While that is true, I doubt that Q would resort to that course of action. We have previously seen on countless occasions that Q enjoys taunting humanity. If he plans to punish Janeway, it will not be quick.

Also, Lady Q said that she would try to talk some sense into him (though Janeway doubted that would work). However, one should never doubt the tenacity of a Q.

I don't expect there to be an immediate vendetta (or something of that nature) made by Q, but I do expect it to come back around eventually.
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Old September 14 2012, 12:12 AM   #21
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maybe there is another "no" or two in the Q ethical "playbook."
I must confess that when I think of Q, 'ethical' is not exactly the first word that springs to mind...

If Janeway has Lady Q on her side, so to speak, I guess that's something. Assuming that Lady Q can act to reverse things that Q does (i.e. if Q turns Janeway into a snail, Lady Q can change her back), of course.
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Old September 14 2012, 12:30 AM   #22
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Well yes, maybe "ethical" wasn't the best word, lol, but it seems that in the Q Continuum "lexicon" (hopefully better) it looks like there could be a few "don'ts" for their membership. After all, Q Sr. was suspended from his powers in TNG episode "QWho" for his previous actions, so even for those superior beings, there are maybe some sort of limit, however vague, to what they are overall allowed to do in the universe.

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Old September 14 2012, 02:15 PM   #23
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Re: Things I love about Kristen's "Eternal Tide"

Those of you who might be interested in Q maybe should try the novel "Q and A" it is set just before "Before Dishonor" and explains a lot about Q's interest in both Picard and Janeway. And I think you all really should remember that Janeway wouldn't have been anywhere near the Borg Transwarp hub, or most likely the "other" continuum if not for Q giving Janeway a course correction at the end of the episode "Q2." So either a lot of back story got overlooked, or there is another twist we can't see right now for a future book.
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Old September 14 2012, 02:42 PM   #24
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Boy, I would love to read this thread; but I'm still catching up on Children of the Storm. "I'll be back..."
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Old September 14 2012, 10:00 PM   #25
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LOL I did read Q&A, but have forgotten most of it, except for Picard laughing at the end (and KJ was briefly in it), guess now I have another book to maybe re-read, if I will have the time, heh; maybe should stop checking out the online sites (like this one, as interesting as it may be)!
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Old September 15 2012, 12:19 AM   #26
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Boy, I would love to read this thread; but I'm still catching up on Children of the Storm. "I'll be back..."
I'm reading it through my fingers.

I haven't read CoT yet, and it still hasn't arrived from the UK. One thing that has always irritated me about Treklit is the endless recapping, sometimes of useless things like stuff that happened in a season one episode, LOL.. but I knew it would serve me well this time since I went straight to TET.
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Old September 15 2012, 09:39 AM   #27
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Maybe Q,Sr. would be forbidden to do that (just "erase" her) to KJ by the Continuum
In most of Q's appearances he seems free to do whatever he wants with little or no fear of retribution by the continuum. I can't remember the last time we saw them reverse something he did.
Well, there was that 1 time in TNG when he toyed with Picard and his crew by offering Riker to become Q, and in the end when he failed to get what he wanted and persisted, he was effectively 'contained' by the Continuum.

For that matter, its possible that due to Janeway's actions, lady Q and the rest of the Continuum might feel as if they owe their existence to Janeway - for the second time around... and might keep Q sr. in check not to harm her (lady Q at least said she will try to do that).
But Q sr. was also acting very stupid... how can he possibly blame Janeway for what his son chose to do?

Granted, this might have been an attempt to keep things interesting.
Q sr. might not be able to harm Janeway directly, but he could probably make things a lot more difficult for her if he chose to.

I guess we will have to wait and see.
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Old September 15 2012, 04:03 PM   #28
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teacake, ditto on the backgrounders -- they are a little awkward, but I'm grateful for them. It's sometimes years between reads.
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Old September 15 2012, 07:22 PM   #29
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[QUOTE=Jeri;6965767]teacake, ditto on the backgrounders -- they are a little awkward, but I'm grateful for them. It's sometimes years between reads.[/QUOTE

Having some (not too much) background in the books, especially re: what's happened in other books, probably doesn't hurt, especially when one hasn't read all the recent Trek books that concern TET. Even if one was so inclined, for the current 24th century story line, there are a fair lot of books to read for the overall casual or even moderately interested Trek fiction fan (like me, lol).
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Old September 16 2012, 12:25 AM   #30
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I loved Destiny, very glad I read it. But really, you could figure out the facts from the recapping that goes on though you would miss out on the impact.

I'm still reading TET. I'm a slow reader though the book is very quick and nicely written, no "wade through" element at all.

I must add, I loved the Hernandez story in Destiny and the Borg story. There was a whole lot I bleeped over out of intense boredom but the Hernandez story was absolutely riveting.
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