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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 13 2012, 03:40 AM   #31
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Re: McDowell: Kirk Deserved Better

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Kirk essentially got to die heroically twice in the same movie (though the first got a do-over), once saving the Enterprise-B and the remaining El-Aurians, and once saving the crashed Enterprise-D crew and hundreds of millions of aliens. I don't see how you can give him a better send-off and have him do something that "makes a difference" more than that without having him be the central character of the film and his journey the central plot.

I liked that they bucked expectations by not having him die on the bridge of his ship (just under a bridge this time - "Trolling message, Spock? None that I am conscious of" ).

Plus, it ties back to what Kirk said in ST:V about how "I always knew I'd die alone." While obviously Picard was there as well, at the time he was off trying to disable the launcher and Kirk was on his own on the bridge. Plus, on the Enterprise-B he left the relative safety of the bridge to go off on his own into deflector control too, thus leading to him getting blown into space.

So you really get the best of both worlds: Kirk dying in space on an Enterprise and Kirk dying on the ground fighting a villain in a rocky desert environment. It's like half the fighting scenarios of TOS.
Sums it up nicely for me.
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Old September 15 2012, 05:30 PM   #32
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Kirk absolutely deserved better. The Enterprise-D deserved better. Hell, even Soren... the BAD GUY... deserved better!
Exactly this. Killing off 2 Trek icons in one movie was a shitty idea, and what a way to waste a good actor like McDowell.

I get that they reeeeally wanted to have Kirk and Picard on screen at the same time for the "ZOMG - it's teh 2 captenz 2gether!" effect. It's the curiosity factor they were counting on to bring in ticket sales. What I don't get at all is how dead-set everyone was on having that double team fight scene vs the bad guy which was totally unnecessary except to kill off Kirk (who they should have/could have just left in the Nexus/the Feel-Good dimension).

As for the destruction of the Enterprise D?


Straight up LAME.



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He died on the bridge! How can it get any better than that?


Oh wait...
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Old September 15 2012, 11:39 PM   #33
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The bridge that collapsed on him?
Technically, didn't it collapse under him?

I prefer the original ending, although Kirk's death there was still less than perfect, it was better.

The other parts of the original were better as well. The missile sputtering across the sky and crashing a few miles away. Soren on the highest platform uselessly jumping up and down, arms raised up, trying to grab the Nexus.

Picard above the dying Kirk finally simply shooting Soren in the stomach with his own gun.

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Old September 17 2012, 08:19 PM   #34
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Re: McDowell: Kirk Deserved Better

Yes, Kirk deserved better. Hell, McDowell deserved better. I think even Stewart deserved better. This is probably the most unsatisfying movie I've ever seen.*

*Full disclosure: I haven't seen several of the TNG movies, but judging by what some of you have posted about them, I'm willing to concede that some of them might be even less satisfying than Generations.
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Old September 18 2012, 08:59 PM   #35
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Re: McDowell: Kirk Deserved Better

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Yes, Kirk deserved better. Hell, McDowell deserved better. I think even Stewart deserved better. This is probably the most unsatisfying movie I've ever seen.*

*Full disclosure: I haven't seen several of the TNG movies, but judging by what some of you have posted about them, I'm willing to concede that some of them might be even less satisfying than Generations.

you haven't seen "several" of the TNG movies other than GEN? There's only three after that one. But after FC, the TNG movies kind of go downhill. But you should make up your own mind about them.
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Old September 18 2012, 10:18 PM   #36
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^ I freely confess to not being a hardcore Trekkie since somewhere during the middle of TNG's TV run. Or somewhere near the middle of GEN, whichever came first.
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Old September 19 2012, 05:48 AM   #37
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Re: McDowell: Kirk Deserved Better

I quite liked Generations myself, I agree Kirk could perhaps have had a more dramatic death, but as it is I thought how they did it was fine, I thought the enterprise D's crash was pretty cool and I liked the fact it ended the ship with a saucer sever just as it had begun in Farpoint
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