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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 11 2012, 06:40 PM   #1
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McDowell: Kirk Deserved Better

Malcolm McDowell, who played the obsessed Dr. Tolian Soran, did not like how Captain Kirk died in Star Trek: Generations. According to McDowell, the death scene was filmed several times. “We shot it twice,” said McDowell. “It was feeble, I thought, because I thought [Kirk] deserved better.” “Poor old Captain Kirk,” said McDowell. “It was [...]

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Old September 11 2012, 06:42 PM   #2
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Re: McDowell: Kirk Deserved Better

It's no secret that Kirk was brought back in Generations for only two reasons--to meet Picard and then die, IMO. But the original planned death was kinda lame, I thought.
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Old September 11 2012, 06:45 PM   #3
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I'd have made Kirk's death quicker and more brutal.
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Old September 11 2012, 07:50 PM   #4
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Maybe Dr. Soran should have beat Kirk to death while singing "Singing In the Rain" or perhaps to the tunes of Ludwig Van.
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Old September 11 2012, 08:02 PM   #5
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Re: McDowell: Kirk Deserved Better

Kirk absolutely deserved better. The Enterprise-D deserved better. Hell, even Soren... the BAD GUY... deserved better!
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Old September 11 2012, 09:11 PM   #6
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I think that Kirk's death is the real issue that most fans who don't like GEN really have with the film. It is handled in a disappointing, almost off-hand way, but you could look at it as a way of showing that not al heroes get grand, operatic deaths.
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Old September 11 2012, 10:00 PM   #7
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He died on the bridge! How can it get any better than that?


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Old September 11 2012, 10:01 PM   #8
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Re: McDowell: Kirk Deserved Better

Yeah... i would have rather Kirk died on the bridge of the Enterprise D... killing off the ship and old captain at the same time...

it would have been more fitting

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Old September 11 2012, 10:22 PM   #9
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The idea of killing Kirk on screen is a bad one by default. There is no possible scenario that would have been accepted by everyone.
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Old September 12 2012, 01:03 AM   #10
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In Soviet Russia, bridge comes to Captain Kirk!
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Old September 12 2012, 03:51 AM   #11
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On one hand, there's nothing more heroic than dying to save the lives of millions of people who will never know what you did for them.

On the other hand, the way they handled it was pretty underwhelming. The whole Nexus stuff was pretty underwhelming. And why wouldn't Picard go back to an easier time to take down Soran?
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Old September 12 2012, 04:38 AM   #12
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JarodRussell wrote: View Post
The idea of killing Kirk on screen is a bad one by default. There is no possible scenario that would have been accepted by everyone.
Agreed. I had no problem with Kirk dying, but there was NO WAY to give him an adequate death.
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Old September 12 2012, 04:50 AM   #13
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On one hand, there's nothing more heroic than dying to save the lives of millions of people who will never know what you did for them.

On the other hand, the way they handled it was pretty underwhelming. The whole Nexus stuff was pretty underwhelming. And why wouldn't Picard go back to an easier time to take down Soran?
You mean like this?
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Old September 12 2012, 04:57 AM   #14
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TNG crew also deserved better then being in those big dumb movies (Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis).
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Old September 12 2012, 05:52 AM   #15
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NrobbieC wrote: View Post
I'd have made Kirk's death quicker and more brutal.
I agree. Stabbed to death with a horrible weapon would have been better.
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