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Old September 12 2012, 12:08 AM   #46
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Re: The City on the Edge of Forever

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One possibility: in the reality before McCoy arrived, the bum who got fritzed by the phaser was originally the catalyst. He was in that sport, possibly drunk and stumbling in the street in the path of the truck. Nobody else made a move to save him except Edith. She failed, sadly and they were both killed by the truck with bad breaks. This would then remove the bum from the timeline.
How can we be sure there WAS a reality before McCoy arrived? He could have been part of events all along. A predestination paradox. There's no way to disprove that...

As for Ellison's version: I don't agree with his version of Kirk, i.e. Kirk trying to save Edith even knowing what this would cause. How could anyone trust Kirk ever again, knowing that he would sacrifice billions of people just for one woman? Kirk would be placing his own happiness above the proper flow of history, and he is not supposed to be like that.
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Old September 12 2012, 12:53 AM   #47
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As for Ellison's version: I don't agree with his version of Kirk, i.e. Kirk trying to save Edith even knowing what this would cause. How could anyone trust Kirk ever again, knowing that he would sacrifice billions of people just for one woman? Kirk would be placing his own happiness above the proper flow of history, and he is not supposed to be like that.
Ellison's version would have worked as a stand-alone story, or an episode of a sci-fi anthology. But it wasn't Star Trek. Kirk had to sacrifice his personal happiness for the sake of the greater good. He's the hero; that's his job!
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Old September 12 2012, 03:07 AM   #48
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One possibility: in the reality before McCoy arrived, the bum who got fritzed by the phaser was originally the catalyst. He was in that sport, possibly drunk and stumbling in the street in the path of the truck. Nobody else made a move to save him except Edith. She failed, sadly and they were both killed by the truck with bad breaks. This would then remove the bum from the timeline.
How can we be sure there WAS a reality before McCoy arrived? He could have been part of events all along. A predestination paradox. There's no way to disprove that...
Well, you can't prove or disprove any of it. Time travel is all a bunch of hooey anyway.

Still, I thought of that - the whole "you are part of history, you HAD to be there to make things happen" thing, but you know, it's just easier on the brain to have shit make sense...
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Old September 12 2012, 03:48 AM   #49
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I don't see why they couldn't take Edith to the future with them. Same result, so peace movement. Kirk and her live happily ever after in the 23rd century.
And how would they accomplish that? Stand in the street and call out really loud hoping that the Guardian could hear them?
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Old September 12 2012, 10:14 AM   #50
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I don't see why they couldn't take Edith to the future with them. Same result, so peace movement. Kirk and her live happily ever after in the 23rd century.
And how would they accomplish that? Stand in the street and call out really loud hoping that the Guardian could hear them?
Fulfilling exacting criteria in order to placate the time donut is a far less heroic sounding plot than saving history.
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Old September 12 2012, 11:32 AM   #51
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I don't see why they couldn't take Edith to the future with them. Same result, so peace movement. Kirk and her live happily ever after in the 23rd century.
And how would they accomplish that? Stand in the street and call out really loud hoping that the Guardian could hear them?
Fulfilling exacting criteria in order to placate the time donut is a far less heroic sounding plot than saving history.
The time donut, as you call it, seemed to respond only to whether history was actually restored. There's no evidence of placation.
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Old September 15 2012, 10:32 AM   #52
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Actually, the condition for their return is spelled out in dialog...
KIRK: Guardian, if we are successful...
GUARDIAN: Then you will be returned. It will be as though none of you had gone.
Ergo, they have restore the flow of history in order to come back. How they magically get back into their uniforms is another question.
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Old September 17 2012, 07:12 PM   #53
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Actually, the condition for their return is spelled out in dialog...
KIRK: Guardian, if we are successful...
GUARDIAN: Then you will be returned. It will be as though none of you had gone.
Ergo, they have restore the flow of history in order to come back. How they magically get back into their uniforms is another question.
The donut's as good as his word. If they had never gone, they wouldn't have changed clothes. (Of course that means McCoy wouldn't have recovered from the cordrazine yet, either...)
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