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Old September 11 2012, 11:57 AM   #31
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Re: The City on the Edge of Forever

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Although I can imagine the butterfly effect leading to any number of changes should Edith vanish instead of dying in the street (the truck driver's life path, for example), I can't help but compare to The Voyage Home, where Gillian Taylor is brought to the future without a second thought or any negative consequences.
Somehow, TVH's Hugo eluded it. (And, yeah, I realize it was up against Aliens.)
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Old September 11 2012, 11:59 AM   #32
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TVH and FC time travel stories...
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Old September 11 2012, 12:55 PM   #33
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Without witnesses to her death and a body, how do you know that one of the bums at the mission wouldn't be blamed for her disappearance.
So just make it openly known that she is "running away with" that handsome new boyfriend of her's that everyone has seen her with, the one she told all her girlfriends about.

And if the Guardian wouldn't move Edith into the future, Kirk could actually take Edith away somewhere out of the way in 1930 (because he loves her) and just quietly live out their lives in a small town.

Screw Spock and McCoy by the way, he's in love.

And what if Edith doesn't agree to run away? And even if she does, how is the timeline assuredly restored?

Spock's tricorder recorded only two histories. The one in which she dies in a traffic accident is the history that leads to the Federation. The one in which she lives is the one to be avoided.

The parameters of the story didn't allow any other option. The unpalatability of the necessity of her death is the point of the tragedy.
Here is a shocker, what if they told Edith the truth? Tell her they were from the future, and if she did this Hitler would win, and then ask her, "Do you want Hitler to win?" But that would be much too obvious.
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Old September 11 2012, 12:55 PM   #34
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What about Yesterday's Enterprise?
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Old September 11 2012, 01:08 PM   #35
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So just make it openly known that she is "running away with" that handsome new boyfriend of her's that everyone has seen her with, the one she told all her girlfriends about.

And if the Guardian wouldn't move Edith into the future, Kirk could actually take Edith away somewhere out of the way in 1930 (because he loves her) and just quietly live out their lives in a small town.

Screw Spock and McCoy by the way, he's in love.

And what if Edith doesn't agree to run away? And even if she does, how is the timeline assuredly restored?

Spock's tricorder recorded only two histories. The one in which she dies in a traffic accident is the history that leads to the Federation. The one in which she lives is the one to be avoided.

The parameters of the story didn't allow any other option. The unpalatability of the necessity of her death is the point of the tragedy.
Here is a shocker, what if they told Edith the truth? Tell her they were from the future, and if she did this Hitler would win, and then ask her, "Do you want Hitler to win?" But that would be much too obvious.
What if she didn't believe their story that they're from the future? Spock's an alien, sure, but how does that make their story likely even? She believed peace was the way, and they'd be arguing for war. I see all sorts of chances for misunderstanding there.
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Old September 11 2012, 02:58 PM   #36
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And what if Edith doesn't agree to run away? And even if she does, how is the timeline assuredly restored?

Spock's tricorder recorded only two histories. The one in which she dies in a traffic accident is the history that leads to the Federation. The one in which she lives is the one to be avoided.

The parameters of the story didn't allow any other option. The unpalatability of the necessity of her death is the point of the tragedy.
Here is a shocker, what if they told Edith the truth? Tell her they were from the future, and if she did this Hitler would win, and then ask her, "Do you want Hitler to win?" But that would be much too obvious.
What if she didn't believe their story that they're from the future? Spock's an alien, sure, but how does that make their story likely even? She believed peace was the way, and they'd be arguing for war. I see all sorts of chances for misunderstanding there.
Then they could go to Roosevelt himself, and tell them they were from the future. If Mr Roosevelt doesn't believe them, then they could produce some tech, like a tricorder and so forth, they could tell Roosevelt that Hitler is trouble and that the country should prepare for him.
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Old September 11 2012, 03:00 PM   #37
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Here is a shocker, what if they told Edith the truth? Tell her they were from the future, and if she did this Hitler would win, and then ask her, "Do you want Hitler to win?" But that would be much too obvious.
What if she didn't believe their story that they're from the future? Spock's an alien, sure, but how does that make their story likely even? She believed peace was the way, and they'd be arguing for war. I see all sorts of chances for misunderstanding there.
Then they could go to Roosevelt himself, and tell them they were from the future. If Mr Roosevelt doesn't believe them, then they could produce some tech, like a tricorder and so forth, they could tell Roosevelt that Hitler is trouble and that the country should prepare for him.
In other words, really mess with the timeline. Please.
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Old September 11 2012, 03:52 PM   #38
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If Kirk and Spock, and ultimately Uhura, Scotty and nameless redshirt had been unable to restore the timeline, and been stuck in the past there would be a great yarn in their adventures in 30's, 40's, 50's America. "Crucible-4"?
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Old September 11 2012, 04:00 PM   #39
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After reading so many peoples interpretations of the episode I can relate to how good, yet flawed, the storyline is.

What is undeniable is that when Kirk says "Lets get the hell out of here", its one of Star Treks most poignant moments.
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Old September 11 2012, 06:15 PM   #40
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After the end credits of COTEOF, Spock put his hand on Kirk's face and said, "Forget."
That bit of nonsense was in Requiem For Methuselah, not this episode.
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Old September 11 2012, 07:09 PM   #41
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That's why he said, "After the end credits...", meaning it took place "off camera". He was making a joke.

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Old September 11 2012, 08:17 PM   #42
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The hobo who swiped Mcoy's phaser may have been suffering from consumtion or even heart disease and died during the night.
Pulling folks out of time opens up a lot of butterfly effect possible changes but not neccessarily direct contact. For instance, the hobo may have had a family and when he didn't come home that night and nobody ever found his body or saw him again, his wife may never have re-married in the vain hope that one day he would come home. But in the unchanged time line, when the police informed her he was found dead in an alley she moved on with her life, met and married a temperate man and the child she had with the new husband grew up and became a Senator or an axe wielding murderer thus changing the world down the line.
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Old September 11 2012, 08:22 PM   #43
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After the end credits of COTEOF, Spock put his hand on Kirk's face and said, "Forget."
That bit of nonsense was in Requiem For Methuselah, not this episode.
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That's why he said, "After the end credits...", meaning it took place "off camera". He was making a joke.
No sense of humor some people.
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Old September 11 2012, 08:27 PM   #44
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The hobo who swiped Mcoy's phaser may have been suffering from consumtion or even heart disease and died during the night.
Pulling folks out of time opens up a lot of butterfly effect possible changes but not neccessarily direct contact. For instance, the hobo may have had a family and when he didn't come home that night and nobody ever found his body or saw him again, his wife may never have re-married in the vain hope that one day he would come home. But in the unchanged time line, when the police informed her he was found dead in an alley she moved on with her life, met and married a temperate man and the child she had with the new husband grew up and became a Senator or an axe wielding murderer thus changing the world down the line.
That's all true, but, in the end, the Guardian said that time had been restored. Ergo, the disappearance of that sad character did not affect the timeline.
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Old September 11 2012, 11:52 PM   #45
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That's all true, but, in the end, the Guardian said that time had been restored. Ergo, the disappearance of that sad character did not affect the timeline.
Good point, CorporalCaptain

"Come! many such journeys are possible!" makes the Guardian just a bigger What-if" machine that Professor Farnsworth invents
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