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Old September 9 2012, 05:28 PM   #1
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The Sorrows of Empire-Standalone?

I haven't read any of the mirror universe books (I've seen the episodes) and saw this at a local bookstore and was wondering if its connected to any other books? Thanks.
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Old September 9 2012, 06:07 PM   #2
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Re: The Sorrows of Empire-Standalone?

There are other books and short stories in the Mirror Universe sequence, but you can certainly read Sorrows and get a complete self-contained story.

The other key works under the Mirror Universe banner and continuity are the anthologies Glass Empires and Obsidian Alliances (with three short novels each, the first one including the original, shorter version of Sorrows), the short-story anthology Shards and Shadows (which I have a story in), and the novel Rise Like Lions by David Mack, which brings the whole saga to a conclusion. The Deep Space Nine novels Olympus Descending, Warpath, Fearful Symmetry, and The Soul Key contain a Mirror Universe arc that feeds into Rise Like Lions, but as always, the different subseries are designed to be comprehensible on their own and the interconnections are just a bonus.

There are various other MU tales that have been published over the years, including TNG: Dark Mirror and the Dark Passions duology, but they're in different continuities from the sequence mentioned above.
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Old September 9 2012, 06:08 PM   #3
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Re: The Sorrows of Empire-Standalone?

I don't suppose any of the other MU stories are going to be expanded into standalone novels like Sorrows was?
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Old September 9 2012, 06:21 PM   #4
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Re: The Sorrows of Empire-Standalone?

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I haven't read any of the mirror universe books (I've seen the episodes) and saw this at a local bookstore and was wondering if its connected to any other books? Thanks.
The Sorrows of Empire has a sequel called Rise Like Lions, but it tells a complete story itself that in no way requires familiarity with other novels in the Mirror Universe cycle.
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Old September 9 2012, 06:23 PM   #5
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Re: The Sorrows of Empire-Standalone?

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There are other books and short stories in the Mirror Universe sequence, but you can certainly read Sorrows and get a complete self-contained story.
Though it also has parts that are a set up for a different mirror universe story in the last released anthology.
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Old September 10 2012, 06:55 AM   #6
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The other key works under the Mirror Universe banner and continuity are the anthologies Glass Empires and Obsidian Alliances (with three short novels each, the first one including the original, shorter version of Sorrows), the short-story anthology Shards and Shadows (which I have a story in), and the novel Rise Like Lions by David Mack, which brings the whole saga to a conclusion. The Deep Space Nine novels Olympus Descending, Warpath, Fearful Symmetry, and The Soul Key contain a Mirror Universe arc that feeds into Rise Like Lions, but as always, the different subseries are designed to be comprehensible on their own and the interconnections are just a bonus.
I just want to point out that Olympus Descending is one of two stories (both of which are tied into the Mirror Universe arc) in Worlds of DS9 Vol. 3.
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Old September 10 2012, 08:34 AM   #7
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Re: The Sorrows of Empire-Standalone?

^^^ What? In what way is Satisfaction Is Not Guaranteed connected to the MU arc?

Perhaps you meant Fragments and Omens, which is actually in Vol 2, not 3. But for the OP's purposes, the connection to the MU arc in either is tangential at best and definitely not required for The Sorrows of Empire.

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Old September 10 2012, 03:16 PM   #8
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^Oh, yes, that's right, I meant Fragments and Omens, not Olympus Descending. Sorry for the mixup. F&O features the attack on Sidau Village that begins the MU arc in the DS9 novels. OD also leads into Warpath, but... hmm, well, I guess it does peripherally connect to the MU arc after all, so yeah, I guess I meant both of them.
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Old September 10 2012, 06:17 PM   #9
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Re: The Sorrows of Empire-Standalone?

Thanks for the reply's, I went back to the bookstore and picked it up and I'm really looking forward to reading it.
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Old September 10 2012, 07:54 PM   #10
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That was bizarre. I responded to correct a mistake I thought JD made... and Christopher apologised.



Never mind. We got it straight in the end.

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Old September 10 2012, 08:10 PM   #11
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That's because you made me realize I'd made a mistake too.
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Old September 11 2012, 12:18 AM   #12
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The other key works under the Mirror Universe banner and continuity are the anthologies Glass Empires and Obsidian Alliances (with three short novels each, the first one including the original, shorter version of Sorrows), the short-story anthology Shards and Shadows (which I have a story in), and the novel Rise Like Lions by David Mack, which brings the whole saga to a conclusion. The Deep Space Nine novels Olympus Descending, Warpath, Fearful Symmetry, and The Soul Key contain a Mirror Universe arc that feeds into Rise Like Lions, but as always, the different subseries are designed to be comprehensible on their own and the interconnections are just a bonus.
I just want to point out that Olympus Descending is one of two stories (both of which are tied into the Mirror Universe arc) in Worlds of DS9 Vol. 3.
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^^^ What? In what way is Satisfaction Is Not Guaranteed connected to the MU arc?

Perhaps you meant Fragments and Omens, which is actually in Vol 2, not 3. But for the OP's purposes, the connection to the MU arc in either is tangential at best and definitely not required for The Sorrows of Empire.

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You're right. I was thinking Satisfaction is Not Guaranteed was in Vol. 2 and Fragments & Omens was in Vol. 3.
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Old September 14 2012, 08:33 PM   #13
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Re: The Sorrows of Empire-Standalone?

Speaking of the MU - having just read about the Shatner/Reeves Stevens pitch for a season 4 Enterprise/TOS MU TV crossover featuring MU Kirk, if the Reeves Stevens are not interested or too busy couldn't someone else novelise it ?

I'd certainly like to read it...(as it's not my story idea I think we're OK discussing it here).
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