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Old September 10 2012, 08:04 PM   #76
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Re: Harry the Genius does what noone else ever considers...

Problem is before the fight, Janeway said "You can have the array after we send ourselves home."

But after shooting up their camp the "federations" didn't seem trustworthy.

Of course if the kazon had gone along with that deal, then Caretakers self destruct wouldn't have been disconnected. Although they didn't have time to send the ship home since the array was going to blow up the second the caretaker died.

Caretaker was a dick.

he could have blown up the array BEFORE he died.

And even possibly, not been on the Array when it blew up.

meanwhile remember those guns he used to blow up the power station on Ocampa?

um.

he blew up the power station, but he couldn't target the kazon ships when they were landbound on Ocampa?

moron.

Either way, the Array as some serious weapons that can hit moving targets (the planet revolving around the sun and the planet in rotating on it's axis).from several light hours away.

Imbecile.
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Old September 10 2012, 09:57 PM   #77
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Re: Harry the Genius does what noone else ever considers...

Also, being brought there killed a lot of people. Meaning going back would also kill a lot of people.
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Old September 10 2012, 10:35 PM   #78
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Re: Harry the Genius does what noone else ever considers...

Would you go on a roller coaster without a seatbelt?

Issues with falling over becuase the artificial gravity wasn't quick enough to deal with the external forces and a few exploding terminals is what killed everyone.

No one was turned to paste.

so no one received blunt force trauma more excessive than falling out of moving car.

If you put a person on the hull of Voyager at 1/2 impulse, and turn of the navigation deflectors... They'd pancake against the hull and then vaporize.

Hell.

There might not have been any effect of velocity at all from the transference across the galaxy, it might have just been the bump of being caught up in the collection wave.

Crash positions, possibly seatbelts and stay away from anything likely to explode.

They'd be sweet.

It was the ship that killed crew not the transportation effect.
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Old September 10 2012, 11:17 PM   #79
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Re: Harry the Genius does what noone else ever considers...

Let's see the Caretaker species...

When did we get the impression he was nice? He goes around kidnapping people so he can rape and impregnate them, which usually kills them. Of course he didn't get give a damn about any "minor bipedal species." But he gave them this nice race specific waiting area. That's like giving the rape victim a pillow to lay on before he forces himself on the victim.

Heck Susperia was down right nice compared to him.
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Old September 10 2012, 11:29 PM   #80
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I've been trying to stress that point for years.

But lets just remember one thing.

He sent the Cardassias back.

But Neelix said that there's dozens of ships out there with the same sob story as Janeway.

How come Gul Evek got sent home yet Ransom was set adrift?

Of course some say the Vetar avoided the Caretakers grasp, but there's little proof one way or the other.
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Old September 10 2012, 11:33 PM   #81
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Re: Harry the Genius does what noone else ever considers...

Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
I've been trying to stress that point for years.

But lets just remember one thing.

He sent the Cardassias back.

But Neelix said that there's dozens of ships out there with the same sob story as Janeway.

How come Gul Evek got sent home yet Ransom was set adrift?

Of course some say the Vetar avoided the Caretakers grasp, but there's little proof one way or the other.
I was always under the impression that Evek and the Vetar weren't drug in and it was just some other Cardassian ship. Just the conclusion I drew from the facts available. Either way, there's no canon appearance for Evek after Caretaker anyways, so it's open ended. He could be back on Cardassia, he could be aimlessly wondering the Delta Quadrant.

Unless of course you buy into the theory that the Caretaker was working with the Cardassians to secretly plot against the Federation...

Moral of the story is consistency sucks! Just ask Voyager's writers.
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Old September 11 2012, 12:08 AM   #82
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In the pilot, someone, possibly Janeway said that they had intelligence on Chakotay being lost was from the Cardassians, and considering the plasma storms in the area it's unlikely that they could have been streaming real time telemetry back to cardassia or a bouy could have made it home.
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Old September 11 2012, 12:11 AM   #83
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Which is also inconclusive either way being Evek was stated to have sent out a distress call and Cardassia could have passed that on to Janeway.
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Old September 11 2012, 12:15 AM   #84
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And then you start to mesh in The Voyager Conspiracy and wonder if Evek was captaining that cloaked Cardassian ship that was foraging technology off the array during the final battle, when it's more likely that the cloaked ship was Romulan since they're had 20 years to prepare for that day.
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Old September 11 2012, 05:06 AM   #85
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I am a bit surprised at the non-reaction the VOY crew had to the Caretaker making it clear he was more or less a kidnapper and (hopeful) rapist.
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Old September 11 2012, 06:45 AM   #86
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Mass and clinical artificial insemination with a rape production line in a rape factory.

He wasn't using his space penis, so it's only rape if you really wish it was rape.

Later they all just handed over their DNA to the Quicksilver lot, including Janeway who refused Q when he asked ever so nicely to do exactly the same thing.
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Old September 11 2012, 07:37 AM   #87
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Janeway knew she'd be paying Q child support for the rest of her life. Child support being whatever whim he came up with.
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Old September 11 2012, 07:55 AM   #88
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Auntie Kathy the godmother got that in spades already.

besides, considering how she died, you know when she died, all about her death, it might have started off as a Borgy death but it certainly finished up Quey death when she died to death.
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Old September 11 2012, 07:59 AM   #89
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You trollin' me man, huh huh??

JANEWAY IS RISEN!

She is risen indeed.
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Old September 11 2012, 09:35 AM   #90
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Would I do that?

If kim was genius he should have changed fields.

7 years to become a doctor, sure he's smarter and there's learning drugs and sleep teaching, but there's also now thousands of specials to learn all about in depth... but Doctor's star at lieutenant Junior grade.

Meanwhile a degree in catering would have taken a less than a year, then oust the kitchenrat and he'd be a full lieutenant lickity split.
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