A Vulcan raised by elves

Mars · August 28 2012, 01:48 PM

Here's an interesting twist. What if there was a holodeck program called Lord of the Rings, and inside one of the holodecks a vulcan grew up in Rivendell, and when he reached adulthood, suddenly the program ended and the doors opened up to the rest of the ship? The Vulcan of course thinks he's an elf, he looks just like them, but all the other elves he knew were holodeck characters and only he were real. What do you suppose would happen next?

Nerys Myk · August 28 2012, 06:49 PM

People on the ship would wonder how no one ever noticed there was a kid was trapped in a holodeck that apparently was running round the clock for several years.

teacake · August 29 2012, 10:00 AM

Without the training needed to suppress his emotions the Vulcan kid would have shoved a loaf of lembas down an elf's throat first time he got riled.

What is the Elven punishment for murder? Exile? The kid would never have found his way out.

Mars · August 29 2012, 04:25 PM

teacake wrote:

Without the training needed to suppress his emotions the Vulcan kid would have shoved a loaf of lembas down an elf's throat first time he got riled.

What is the Elven punishment for murder? Exile? The kid would never have found his way out.

A vulcan would probably be no worse than a Romulan with telepathy, if he had emotions. Romulans are more distinguishable by their form of government, the Romulan Star Empire, than any racial characteristics.

Chemahkuu · August 29 2012, 07:16 PM

Enough with the crossover fanfic nonsense.

Mars · August 30 2012, 09:27 PM

Actually the Holodecks allow for crossover as an integral part of the setting, that's what they're there for! So sure, there could be a "Lord of the Rings" Holodeck program, this is not crossover, as the worlds simulated in the Holodeck are not real relative to the Star Trek setting, but any characters stuck in the Holodeck don't know that.

Methos · August 30 2012, 09:48 PM

Spock is equally bemused and disturbed by this thread

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Nerys Myk · August 30 2012, 10:28 PM

Mars wrote:

Actually the Holodecks allow for crossover as an integral part of the setting, that's what they're there for! So sure, there could be a "Lord of the Rings" Holodeck program, this is not crossover, as the worlds simulated in the Holodeck are not real relative to the Star Trek setting, but any characters stuck in the Holodeck don't know that.

The problem is the idea that a child would be trapped in a holo program for most of his life and that nobody would notice that a child was missing and there was holo program running non stop for years.

teacake · August 30 2012, 10:59 PM

Methos, that is oddly attractive.

Raising a child in a holodeck program and never telling him.. we got that in The Truman Show. But with holoprogramming you really could do a "what if.. LOTR?" and anything else. It would be pretty interesting.

I suggest we use Ocampans for this plan since they only live 9 years and rapidly mature.

Mars · August 31 2012, 02:38 AM

Nerys Myk wrote:

Mars wrote:

Actually the Holodecks allow for crossover as an integral part of the setting, that's what they're there for! So sure, there could be a "Lord of the Rings" Holodeck program, this is not crossover, as the worlds simulated in the Holodeck are not real relative to the Star Trek setting, but any characters stuck in the Holodeck don't know that.

The problem is the idea that a child would be trapped in a holo program for most of his life and that nobody would notice that a child was missing and there was holo program running non stop for years.

Maybe he was the only one left alive on the ship, and say for instance the warp drive was destroyed and only impulse engines are working. The ship has one holodeck for family entertainment, and something happened to the child's parents.

Stranger things have happened in Star Trek.

teacake · August 31 2012, 02:40 AM

Yeah and when the ship is eventually found and boarded by rescuers they have to remove this poor kid from middle earth and explain it all to him. Maybe a Vulcan could cope with that, I doubt a human could.

There was that ENT ep where a kid was raised in a holodeck program by her father iirc.. and a DS9 ep but I think that was a solo thing. But those holo-worlds were at least set in those people's real worlds, not complete fiction.

Nerys Myk · August 31 2012, 03:04 AM

Mars wrote:

Nerys Myk wrote:

Mars wrote:

Actually the Holodecks allow for crossover as an integral part of the setting, that's what they're there for! So sure, there could be a "Lord of the Rings" Holodeck program, this is not crossover, as the worlds simulated in the Holodeck are not real relative to the Star Trek setting, but any characters stuck in the Holodeck don't know that.

The problem is the idea that a child would be trapped in a holo program for most of his life and that nobody would notice that a child was missing and there was holo program running non stop for years.

Maybe he was the only one left alive on the ship, and say for instance the warp drive was destroyed and only impulse engines are working. The ship has one holodeck for family entertainment, and something happened to the child's parents.

Stranger things have happened in Star Trek.

Why would a Vulcan child young enough to forget his parents and background be in this holodeck? Would the impulse engines stay online long enough to keep this holoprogram going? Are holoprograms sophisticated enough to last and adjust for the 20 or so years it would take for a Vulcan to reach maturity? What about Ponn Farr? Why would Vulcans be in a LOTR holoprogram? Doesn't sound like their type of "family entertainment".

teacake · August 31 2012, 03:09 AM

Kid could have wandered in out of curiosity at the wrong time.

As to Pon Farr, well there were probably plenty of Elven ladies. Or Legolas.

Nerys Myk · August 31 2012, 03:21 AM

teacake wrote:

Kid could have wandered in out of curiosity at the wrong time.

As to Pon Farr, well there were probably plenty of Elven ladies. Or Legolas.

Not sure holo elves would know what to do in Plak Tow nor would they have the telepathic skills needed to calm it.

teacake · August 31 2012, 04:20 AM

Tuvok's holo-wife didn't exactly have those skills either.

Heck if fightin' can rid you of Pon Farr I'm sure the elves can come up with something.

August 28 2012, 01:48 PM	#1
Mars Captain	A Vulcan raised by elves Here's an interesting twist. What if there was a holodeck program called Lord of the Rings, and inside one of the holodecks a vulcan grew up in Rivendell, and when he reached adulthood, suddenly the program ended and the doors opened up to the rest of the ship? The Vulcan of course thinks he's an elf, he looks just like them, but all the other elves he knew were holodeck characters and only he were real. What do you suppose would happen next?

August 28 2012, 06:49 PM	#2
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: A Vulcan raised by elves People on the ship would wonder how no one ever noticed there was a kid was trapped in a holodeck that apparently was running round the clock for several years. __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

August 29 2012, 10:00 AM	#3
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: A Vulcan raised by elves Without the training needed to suppress his emotions the Vulcan kid would have shoved a loaf of lembas down an elf's throat first time he got riled. What is the Elven punishment for murder? Exile? The kid would never have found his way out. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

August 29 2012, 07:16 PM	#5
Chemahkuu Vice Admiral Location: United Kingdom	Re: A Vulcan raised by elves Enough with the crossover fanfic nonsense.

August 30 2012, 09:27 PM	#6
Mars Captain	Re: A Vulcan raised by elves Actually the Holodecks allow for crossover as an integral part of the setting, that's what they're there for! So sure, there could be a "Lord of the Rings" Holodeck program, this is not crossover, as the worlds simulated in the Holodeck are not real relative to the Star Trek setting, but any characters stuck in the Holodeck don't know that.

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August 30 2012, 09:48 PM	#7
Methos First Officer: USS Aventine Location: Hiding under Gaila's bed...	Re: A Vulcan raised by elves *Spock is equally bemused and disturbed by this thread* M __________________ In Russia, a 122 year old man has passed away, he credited his long life to abtaining from alcohol, tobacco and women. His last words were "I've made a huge mistake."

August 30 2012, 10:59 PM	#9
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: A Vulcan raised by elves Methos, that is oddly attractive. Raising a child in a holodeck program and never telling him.. we got that in The Truman Show. But with holoprogramming you really could do a "what if.. LOTR?" and anything else. It would be pretty interesting. I suggest we use Ocampans for this plan since they only live 9 years and rapidly mature. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

August 31 2012, 02:40 AM	#11
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: A Vulcan raised by elves Yeah and when the ship is eventually found and boarded by rescuers they have to remove this poor kid from middle earth and explain it all to him. Maybe a Vulcan could cope with that, I doubt a human could. There was that ENT ep where a kid was raised in a holodeck program by her father iirc.. and a DS9 ep but I think that was a solo thing. But those holo-worlds were at least set in those people's real worlds, not complete fiction. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne Last edited by teacake; August 31 2012 at 02:52 AM.

August 31 2012, 03:09 AM	#13
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: A Vulcan raised by elves Kid could have wandered in out of curiosity at the wrong time. As to Pon Farr, well there were probably plenty of Elven ladies. Or Legolas. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

August 31 2012, 04:20 AM	#15
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: A Vulcan raised by elves Tuvok's holo-wife didn't exactly have those skills either. Heck if fightin' can rid you of Pon Farr I'm sure the elves can come up with something. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne