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Old September 9 2012, 05:07 AM   #31
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Re: Nic Cage stars in what looks to be the Falls funniest Comedy.

Taken worked for me because of Liam Neeson. Nicholas Cage on the other hand isn't as cool of a badass, at least not anymore.
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Old September 9 2012, 05:44 AM   #32
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They should've called it "Shaken".
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Old September 9 2012, 10:16 AM   #33
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The Taken title has already been taken.
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Old September 9 2012, 05:20 PM   #34
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This man just collects paychecks. He's stopped really trying years ago
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Old September 9 2012, 06:16 PM   #35
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Of course, Cage was best known as the offbeat, unconventional star of indie movies until he hit paydirt with The Rock.
Yeah. Cage is the definition of a sell out. The guy was possibly the best actor of his generation until he decided he'd rather take easy paychecks for crappy action films.
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Old September 9 2012, 06:43 PM   #36
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Looks a lot more fun than the early fifteen or so minutes of Taken that I saw.
But there's not a single dead Albanian sex trafficker in that part! So, to you Taken is just a movie where a guy's obnoxious ex-wife and her rich husband get their annoying daughter a pony so she can live like a real life Malibu Barbie? I weep for you, sir.

Please tell me this was just on TV (where it's on almost every week) and that this was not another movie you paid money for and walked out on.
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Old September 9 2012, 08:37 PM   #37
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Yeah, it was TV. But the daughter didn't annoy me, and Neeson was so paranoid about a harmless-sounding jaunt about Europe that it seriously creeped me out. If a European movie had a dad saying the same thing about two girls wanting to backpack through several American cities, with the result being their immediate abduction by non-white/immigrant assailants, I think a lot of us would very justifiably be pretty insulted. The whole thing just felt a bit sick.

At least this movie might have wacky elements in Cage and an absurd heist.
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Old September 9 2012, 08:47 PM   #38
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But Neeson was so paranoid about a harmless-sounding jaunt about Europe that it seriously creeped me out. If a European movie had a dad saying the same thing about two girls wanting to backpack through several American cities, with the result being their immediate abduction by non-white/immigrant assailants, I think a lot of us would very justifiably be pretty insulted. The whole thing just felt a bit sick.
Yeah, I hate it when American movies are insulting to Europeans. I mean, if they're going to do that, the French studio should hire a French writer, director, producer, and have it be filmed on location in France. You know, like that movie Taken was.

BTW, your ability to get "creeped out" by the insulting nature of the abduction scenario in Taken yet completely overlook the similarly insulting (by your standards) abduction scenario in this new Cage movie makes perfect sense. Continue.
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Old September 9 2012, 08:49 PM   #39
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Re: Nic Cage stars in what looks to be the Falls funniest Comedy.

Luc Besson rocks for movies... he's the whole reason i saw this movie is the first place...

though i still say his masterpiece was the original Nikita

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Old September 9 2012, 08:50 PM   #40
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^Leon (aka The Professional) for me.
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Old September 9 2012, 08:59 PM   #41
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Leon was good, i can accept that

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Old September 9 2012, 09:04 PM   #42
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Re: Nic Cage stars in what looks to be the Falls funniest Comedy.

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Yeah, I hate it when American movies are insulting to Europeans. I mean, if they're going to do that, the French studio should hire a French writer, director, producer, and have it be filmed on location in France. You know, like that movie Taken was.
And yet, despite being so very French, it was an English-language movie about an American hero that did most of its business here in the States. Huh.

Okay, so it was a French production. But that doesn't make it any less ick to moi.



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BTW, your ability to get "creeped out" by the insulting nature of the abduction scenario in Taken yet completely overlook the similarly insulting (by your standards) abduction scenario in this new Cage movie
What's so similar? Unless I'm missing something, the Taken abduction was a random sex-ring kidnapping by a group of ethnic "others". The Stolen abduction is a revenge-based kidnapping by the super-white Josh Lucas.

I'm not saying that non-white actors/characters should never be villains. But the larger context of Taken as I perceived it rubbed me the wrong way.



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BTW, your ability to get "creeped out" by the insulting nature of the abduction scenario in Taken... makes perfect sense. Continue.
Hey, it's just, like, my personal tastes, man. Nothing to stress out about.
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Old September 9 2012, 09:29 PM   #43
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Who's stressing? You're the one who says he gets creeped out by silly action movies. I just find your opinions on most things --including movies-- wildly inconsistent and often ridiculous. I mean, you get offended by insulting depictions of a group here to the point of refusing to watch, yet love The Mummy which depicts North Africans/Arabs as savages who are worth nothing more than being thieves, murderers, or cannon fodder. Even the "good guy" defenders of the secret of Imhotep are a bunch of barbaric murderers who mostly exist to get killed in droves in the first two films.

I figured you'd have some lame excuse for why it doesn't REALLY count as a French film despite being completely French made, and you didn't disappoint. Don't just admit that you were wrong about your insinuation that it was made by Americans insulting the French. No, that would be expecting too much.
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Old September 9 2012, 10:13 PM   #44
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Who's stressing?
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I weep for you, sir...

Please tell me this was just on TV (where it's on almost every week) and that this was not another movie you paid money for and walked out on...

BTW, your ability to get "creeped out" by the insulting nature of the abduction scenario.... makes perfect sense. Continue.
You're stressing. And since when have I ever walked out on a movie I'd paid for? I research my ticket purchases a bit more carefully than that.



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Don't just admit that you were wrong about your insinuation that it was made by Americans insulting the French. No, that would be expecting too much.
Sure, I was factually wrong about that, and I did admit as much. (Though it's hardly "completely French made" when it stars an Irishman and two Americans in the hero roles.) But the fact that it was a French-made flick that slanders Europe arguably makes it worse in that it allows people such as yourself to give it cover for that reason, when the content in question is the same.



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I mean, you get offended by insulting depictions of a group here to the point of refusing to watch, yet love The Mummy which depicts North Africans/Arabs as savages who are worth nothing more than being thieves, murderers, or cannon fodder. Even the "good guy" defenders of the secret of Imhotep are a bunch of barbaric murderers who mostly exist to get killed in droves in the first two films.
Maybe, but most whites in that movie are hardly depicted much better; many of them are barbarous and racist. Also, I tend to cut period pieces with supernatural/magical elements a bit of slack compared to modern, "real world"-set actioners. Do I therefore contradict myself? Very well, I contradict myself. I am large; I contain multitudes.


... And you still haven't explained how the abductions in Taken and Stolen are so similar.
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Old September 9 2012, 10:48 PM   #45
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Who's stressing?
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I weep for you, sir...

Please tell me this was just on TV (where it's on almost every week) and that this was not another movie you paid money for and walked out on...

BTW, your ability to get "creeped out" by the insulting nature of the abduction scenario.... makes perfect sense. Continue.
You're stressing. And since when have I ever walked out on a movie I'd paid for? I research my ticket purchases a bit more carefully than that.
I think you need to get your sarcasm meter adjusted if you think I was seriously weeping or stressed about anything.

Didn't you say you walked out on Knocked Up after a similar brief period (and heavily criticized that based on limited facts as well)? I just think it's strange that you're so vehemently judgmental of things you don't even watch more than a few minutes.

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Don't just admit that you were wrong about your insinuation that it was made by Americans insulting the French. No, that would be expecting too much.
Sure, I was factually wrong about that, and I did admit as much. (Though it's hardly "completely French made" when it stars an Irishman and two Americans in the hero roles.) But the fact that it was a French-made flick that slanders Europe arguably makes it worse in that it allows people such as yourself to give it cover for that reason, when the content in question is the same.
Famke Janssen is Dutch (though she lives here) and barely in the film, but whatever.

It doesn't slander Europe any more than the presence of a Banana Republic army bizarrely allowed to arm and mass its forces on an island off the coast of Santa Barbara, California slanders the US in Commando. It's just a silly action movie that uses the bad guys as a means to an end, not a documentary.

... And you still haven't explained how the abductions in Taken and Stolen are so similar.
They're not similar, other than you saying the very idea of an abduction taking place in Europe or America should be considered offensive.

Neeson's character was worried about his seventeen year old daughter taking a trip around Europe with her equally young friend whom he didn't know. It's not overly paranoid to express some concern about that, regardless of what country the trip takes place in. His concern was about their age and lack of experience dealing with the occasional harsh realities of the world. And frankly, his daughter was pretty naive at that point. Yeah, he was a bit over-protective, and that was informed by his line of work, but it's not like it's out of line to even suggest the possibility of trouble and be prepared for it.

But Neeson was so paranoid about a harmless-sounding jaunt about Europe that it seriously creeped me out. If a European movie had a dad saying the same thing about two girls wanting to backpack through several American cities, with the result being their immediate abduction by non-white/immigrant assailants, I think a lot of us would very justifiably be pretty insulted. The whole thing just felt a bit sick.
By the way, the girls are scoped out by white French guys, kidnapped by white Albanian sex traffickers, sold to a white French "auctioneer," and finally sold to an Arab sheik before being saved. So only one out of four groups was non-white, though you're right about the immigrant thing with the Albanians.
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