Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread - Page 57

Takeru · November 26 2012, 10:08 PM

MickJo1701 wrote:

But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.

Wow, the second shot looks horrible, the people who did that are hacks, period. There is absolutely no excuse for it looking so much worse, it's literally the same shot.

What were they thinking?

MickJo1701 · November 26 2012, 10:12 PM

gaghyogi49 wrote:

Actually, it's Angel One:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ob...loffreedom.htm

They used the same planet in both episodes, just like they where in SD. But Angel One did come first

raffie · November 26 2012, 10:21 PM

The exterior shots are notably worst in quality from the CBS-D shots.

Whereas the CBS-D team took 'remain true to the original look and feel' as recreate the shots and make them look amazing while remaining true to the look of the original shot, HTV seems to have sadly understood that as 'scan in the film, done'.

Dac · November 26 2012, 10:22 PM

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/160435

I quickly pasted in the original shot (or as close as I could get from TrekCore's SD screencaps. It's a few seconds off) literally upscaled (resized) to match the HD version as closely as possible.

Sure, the original has some VHS fuzz on it, but is it me or is there sharper edges/more "realistic" contrast and overall detail (minus the fuzz of course) than the new HD version?

Most of the other shots can be explained away via preference for matching the original, but why it looks this bad is just incomprehensible to me. :S

raffie · November 26 2012, 10:28 PM

Kind of looks like a first test, showing the scan without any image processing, rather than the final product to me.

TheSeeker · November 26 2012, 10:33 PM

Well I'm going to the Season 2 event on Thursday so I guess I'll see how it looks in motion. I'm hopeful that the stills are somewhat misleading.

MickJo1701 · November 26 2012, 10:33 PM

Anyone have an opinion on this shot? It gets pointed out in the TrekCore review but as CGI replacement shots for missing model elements go its the best we've seen produced so far. I think its a good attempt, the ship looks sharp, the bussard collector and warp grilles look much better than anything HTV did with the actual model.

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/image...ence_probe.jpg

Tosk · November 26 2012, 10:39 PM

I don't hate it, but it stands out very clearly as CGI...if only for the fact that a lot of the other Enterprise shots seems to be sub-par. No consistency. That planet shot a few posts above is a shocker.

FrontierTrek · November 26 2012, 10:42 PM

MickJo1701 wrote:

Anyone have an opinion on this shot? It gets pointed out in the TrekCore review but as CGI replacement shots for missing model elements go its the best we've seen produced so far. I think its a good attempt, the ship looks sharp, the bussard collector and warp grilles look much better than anything HTV did with the actual model.

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/image...ence_probe.jpg

It is indeed a CGI replacement - the original matte was lost, but when you see the shot in motion the compositing seemed a bit rushed: No grain, no real shadow detail or texture. Thankfully, as far as CG replacements go, it was an isolated incident in Season 2

gaghyogi49 · November 26 2012, 10:42 PM

MickJo1701 wrote:

gaghyogi49 wrote:

Actually, it's Angel One:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ob...loffreedom.htm

They used the same planet in both episodes, just like they where in SD. But Angel One did come first

Nope, check the article, there are differences between the two planets. Just compare the two HD screenshots seen in the article.

MickJo1701 · November 26 2012, 10:54 PM

gaghyogi49 wrote:

MickJo1701 wrote:

gaghyogi49 wrote:

Actually, it's Angel One:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ob...loffreedom.htm

They used the same planet in both episodes, just like they where in SD. But Angel One did come first

Nope, check the article, there are differences between the two planets. Just compare the two HD screenshots seen in the article.

Ahhh Gotcha! sharper eye than me

Updated the original post too.

Jefferies · November 26 2012, 10:57 PM

MickJo1701 wrote:

I cannot believe this is a screengrab from the actual finished product? Tell me you messed with this shot in photoshop or something like that? How dare these hacks butcher this show like this? These people had a million dollar budget and this is the result??? Is this some kind of sick joke? CBS was conned out of their money if this screenshot is for real. God how could this happen after the masterful work we saw in season 1??? They actually managed to downgrade the show from what we had on the DVDs. HTV Illuminate = Epic Fail!

I'm not sure I will be able to watch Season 2 remastered in blu ray if this is the kind of things we get to see. It will be too jarring. The DVDs might be blurry but at least they are consistant and don't rip you out of the experience by lighting up the Enterprise like a Christmas tree ornament.

Maxwell Everett · November 26 2012, 11:14 PM

FrontierTrek wrote:

It is indeed a CGI replacement - the original matte was lost, but when you see the shot in motion the compositing seemed a bit rushed: No grain, no real shadow detail or texture. Thankfully, as far as CG replacements go, it was an isolated incident in Season 2

So this is the only one you spotted? That's good.

Now we need you to go through each episode and check the 7.1 audio to make sure each channel is discrete. Feel up to it?

davejames · November 26 2012, 11:27 PM

Yeah I don't have a problem with the ship being more brightly lit in these shots (I really loved that look in TSFS, as seen here: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tsfshd0054.jpg) but I AM a bit perplexed at the lack of detail and sharpness in some of them.

Going back to the original source material, you'd think they'd all be as clear and sharp as can be.

Shazam! · November 26 2012, 11:34 PM

MickJo1701 wrote:

LOLOLOL

November 26 2012, 10:21 PM	#843
raffie Commander Location: Belgium	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread The exterior shots are notably worst in quality from the CBS-D shots. Whereas the CBS-D team took 'remain true to the original look and feel' as recreate the shots and make them look amazing while remaining true to the look of the original shot, HTV seems to have sadly understood that as 'scan in the film, done'.

November 26 2012, 10:22 PM	#844
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/160435 I quickly pasted in the original shot (or as close as I could get from TrekCore's SD screencaps. It's a few seconds off) literally upscaled (resized) to match the HD version as closely as possible. Sure, the original has some VHS fuzz on it, but is it me or is there sharper edges/more "realistic" contrast and overall detail (minus the fuzz of course) than the new HD version? Most of the other shots can be explained away via preference for matching the original, but why it looks this bad is just incomprehensible to me. :S

November 26 2012, 10:28 PM	#845
raffie Commander Location: Belgium	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Kind of looks like a first test, showing the scan without any image processing, rather than the final product to me.

November 26 2012, 10:33 PM	#846
TheSeeker Vice Admiral Location: New York, NY	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Well I'm going to the Season 2 event on Thursday so I guess I'll see how it looks in motion. I'm hopeful that the stills are somewhat misleading.

November 26 2012, 10:33 PM	#847
MickJo1701 Lieutenant Commander	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Anyone have an opinion on this shot? It gets pointed out in the TrekCore review but as CGI replacement shots for missing model elements go its the best we've seen produced so far. I think its a good attempt, the ship looks sharp, the bussard collector and warp grilles look much better than anything HTV did with the actual model. http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/image...ence_probe.jpg

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November 26 2012, 10:39 PM	#848
Tosk Rear Admiral Location: On the run.	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread I don't hate it, but it stands out very clearly as CGI...if only for the fact that a lot of the other Enterprise shots seems to be sub-par. No consistency. That planet shot a few posts above is a shocker.

November 26 2012, 11:27 PM	#854
davejames Vice Admiral Location: Sac, Ca	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Yeah I don't have a problem with the ship being more brightly lit in these shots (I really loved that look in TSFS, as seen here: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tsfshd0054.jpg) but I AM a bit perplexed at the lack of detail and sharpness in some of them. Going back to the original source material, you'd think they'd all be as clear and sharp as can be.