Doctor Weir

Sindatur · August 16 2012, 03:45 AM

I've often opined that I wished Blond Doctor Weir would've continued the role, as I've always been been annoyed by Tori Higginson as an actress, ever since seeing her in TekWar (Years before I saw her in Stargate).

I've recently finished SG1 rewatch, and am now at episode 2.7 of Atlantis, and I'm actually pretty impressed with Doctor Weir, she's tough, she knows how to deliver a threat like Janeway, but, she's not nearly as unpredictable and split personality.

I think I'll rewatch Tek War when I finish SG:Atlantis, to see if I can find a new appreciation for Tori (I plan to rewatch Quantum Leap soon, too, to see if I can mange to not hate Scott Bakula as Sam Beckett, after recently rewatching ENT and learning not to hate Captain Archer nearly as much)

Gary Mitchell · August 16 2012, 04:37 AM

I always wondered if Atlantis would have been a little better with Jessica Steen playing Dr. Weir. Tori Higginson did grow on me after awhile but her character didn't seem to have that much to do.

RoJoHen · August 16 2012, 11:07 AM

I loved Elizabeth Weir, and the show just never felt the same after she left. She got to a point where her leader role didn't serve a huge purpose, but I still enjoyed having her around. She kind of like the "mom" of the whole expedition.

Mark_Nguyen · August 16 2012, 04:25 PM

I really wish they would've kept her as well. I agree the writers should have kept her more in mind and given her more to do, but as with Hammond her position on the base is to spout expository dialogue and send the team on their missions. Trying to "fix" it by replacing her with Carter didn't help any, as she was barely there. They had started to get it right with Woolsey, but it was just too late by then.

Ditto with the good Doctor Beckett. Just too many cast changes does not breed confidence in a show. Among the many problems in this series that couldn't be remedied...

Mark

AJ86 · August 16 2012, 05:40 PM

I was glad to see her go. By the end of season three she was nothing more than a utility-character, a plot device that could do or say whatever the plot required, even if it did completely contradict her earlier stances. It was particularly frustrating to watch her flop flop from a humanitarian, to someone who orders torture based on next to no evidence... and back again.

Sindatur · August 16 2012, 05:56 PM

AJ86 wrote:

I was glad to see her go. By the end of season three she was nothing more than a utility-character, a plot device that could do or say whatever the plot required, even if it did completely contradict her earlier stances. It was particularly frustrating to watch her flop flop from a humanitarian, to someone who orders torture based on next to no evidence... and back again.

Ah, so she does become a split personality like Janeway afterall? Bummer...Her characterization has been pretty consistent up through these first few S2 episodes.

MadOnion · August 17 2012, 08:16 AM

I liked Weir. For me the point that she left was the point at which the series went bad. Not entirely based on her absence, but at the same time.

The Wormhole · August 17 2012, 10:41 PM

Season 3 wasn't exactly the best season of the show anyway, but I agree getting rid of Weir didn't improve anything. They replaced her with Carter, who was used even less in season 4 than Weir was in any given season.

teacake · August 18 2012, 06:54 AM

Wow I feel like I watched a completely different show than you all.

Tori Higginson is my benchmark for bad acting. She seems to be completely at a loss for most of her lines and the scripts seem to reflect that.

Weir (quietly): We should do this.

Shepherd: We can't do that because blah blah blah we should do this instead.

Weir: Okay.

That was in just about every episode. Sometimes more than once.

It was such a shock when Carter took over, actual facial expressions and liveliness of lines delivery.

I did feel some pangs over Weir's fate, but it wasn't thanks to the acting.

Sindatur · August 18 2012, 01:35 PM

Well in my first post, I did declare I always had a problem with her since Tek War. But, S1 and early S2 Weir, did have her own mind, and she was quite forceful, and I think she mostly delivered her lines well. Now that I'm up to the end S2, yea, I see she is going back downhill.

teacake · August 18 2012, 02:17 PM

I've only watched SG:A through once. With Trek I just about always end up liking people I'm meh or bleh about more on rewatches so who knows.. maybe I'll see it.

MacLeod · August 18 2012, 09:01 PM

Gary Mitchell wrote:

I always wondered if Atlantis would have been a little better with Jessica Steen playing Dr. Weir. Tori Higginson did grow on me after awhile but her character didn't seem to have that much to do.

I'm not saying Tori Higginson's portrayal didn't grow on me, but I think I preferred Jessica Steen's portrayal of the Character.

Though I think perhaps the episode "Sunday" when they killed Beckett off was the turning point for the show. From memory the fans reacted badly to the killing of Dr. Beckett, so much so that they had to bring the character back.

teacake · August 19 2012, 02:16 AM

Sunday made me cry, so I thought it very good. Done well, the heroism of the everyday commitment. I was spoiler free when I watched it so it was quite a shock. Bringing him back was a shock too! The clone thing was explored well I thought.

MacLeod · August 19 2012, 05:07 AM

I disagree it was done poorly. It could possibly have worked better as an everday heroism moment if the exploding tumour had gone off, whilst Beckett was still operating. Rather than having been removed and handed over to the bomb tech and Beckett walking away.

Kirby · September 17 2012, 06:23 PM

^^ You realize that you attempted to explain how best to handle a character's death due to an exploding tumor. No amount of when and where he was when the tumor exploded will negate the fact that it was an EXPLODING TUMOR. That single moment ruined all credibility for that show for me. I couldn't feel anything for Beckett's death because of how stupid he died, and the preview for his return was even more stupid ("You won't believe the last 5 seconds of next week's show!" and then they showed it). A lot of bad decisions were made in the production of that show.

August 16 2012, 03:45 AM	#1
Sindatur Rear Admiral Location: Sacramento, CA	Doctor Weir I've often opined that I wished Blond Doctor Weir would've continued the role, as I've always been been annoyed by Tori Higginson as an actress, ever since seeing her in TekWar (Years before I saw her in Stargate). I've recently finished SG1 rewatch, and am now at episode 2.7 of Atlantis, and I'm actually pretty impressed with Doctor Weir, she's tough, she knows how to deliver a threat like Janeway, but, she's not nearly as unpredictable and split personality. I think I'll rewatch Tek War when I finish SG:Atlantis, to see if I can find a new appreciation for Tori (I plan to rewatch Quantum Leap soon, too, to see if I can mange to not hate Scott Bakula as Sam Beckett, after recently rewatching ENT and learning not to hate Captain Archer nearly as much) __________________ One Day I hope to be the Man my Cat thinks I am Where are we going? And why are we in this Handbasket? Last edited by Sindatur; August 16 2012 at 12:44 PM. Reason: Changed Tori's last name

August 16 2012, 04:37 AM	#2
Gary Mitchell Vice Admiral Location: Delta Vega ¯\_(°·O)_/¯	Re: Doctor Weir I always wondered if Atlantis would have been a little better with Jessica Steen playing Dr. Weir. Tori Higginson did grow on me after awhile but her character didn't seem to have that much to do. __________________ The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.

August 16 2012, 11:07 AM	#3
RoJoHen Awesome Location: Wherever life takes me	Re: Doctor Weir I loved Elizabeth Weir, and the show just never felt the same after she left. She got to a point where her leader role didn't serve a huge purpose, but I still enjoyed having her around. She kind of like the "mom" of the whole expedition. __________________ I am the Quintessential Admiral. Get ready to grow your EQUINOX BEARD!

August 16 2012, 04:25 PM	#4
Mark_Nguyen Commodore Location: Calgary, Alberta	Re: Doctor Weir I really wish they would've kept her as well. I agree the writers should have kept her more in mind and given her more to do, but as with Hammond her position on the base is to spout expository dialogue and send the team on their missions. Trying to "fix" it by replacing her with Carter didn't help any, as she was barely there. They had started to get it right with Woolsey, but it was just too late by then. Ditto with the good Doctor Beckett. Just too many cast changes does not breed confidence in a show. Among the many problems in this series that couldn't be remedied... Mark __________________ Mark Nguyen - Producer The 404s - Improv Comedy Group Oh, I like that Trek thing too...

August 16 2012, 05:40 PM	#5
AJ86 Captain	Re: Doctor Weir I was glad to see her go. By the end of season three she was nothing more than a utility-character, a plot device that could do or say whatever the plot required, even if it did completely contradict her earlier stances. It was particularly frustrating to watch her flop flop from a humanitarian, to someone who orders torture based on next to no evidence... and back again.

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August 17 2012, 08:16 AM	#7
MadOnion Lieutenant	Re: Doctor Weir I liked Weir. For me the point that she left was the point at which the series went bad. Not entirely based on her absence, but at the same time.

August 17 2012, 10:41 PM	#8
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: Doctor Weir Season 3 wasn't exactly the best season of the show anyway, but I agree getting rid of Weir didn't improve anything. They replaced her with Carter, who was used even less in season 4 than Weir was in any given season. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.

August 18 2012, 06:54 AM	#9
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Doctor Weir Wow I feel like I watched a completely different show than you all. Tori Higginson is my benchmark for bad acting. She seems to be completely at a loss for most of her lines and the scripts seem to reflect that. Weir (quietly): We should do this. Shepherd: We can't do that because blah blah blah we should do this instead. Weir: Okay. That was in just about every episode. Sometimes more than once. It was such a shock when Carter took over, actual facial expressions and liveliness of lines delivery. I did feel some pangs over Weir's fate, but it wasn't thanks to the acting. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

August 18 2012, 01:35 PM	#10
Sindatur Rear Admiral Location: Sacramento, CA	Re: Doctor Weir Well in my first post, I did declare I always had a problem with her since Tek War. But, S1 and early S2 Weir, did have her own mind, and she was quite forceful, and I think she mostly delivered her lines well. Now that I'm up to the end S2, yea, I see she is going back downhill. __________________ One Day I hope to be the Man my Cat thinks I am Where are we going? And why are we in this Handbasket?

August 18 2012, 02:17 PM	#11
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Doctor Weir I've only watched SG:A through once. With Trek I just about always end up liking people I'm meh or bleh about more on rewatches so who knows.. maybe I'll see it. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

August 19 2012, 02:16 AM	#13
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Doctor Weir Sunday made me cry, so I thought it very good. Done well, the heroism of the everyday commitment. I was spoiler free when I watched it so it was quite a shock. Bringing him back was a shock too! The clone thing was explored well I thought. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

August 19 2012, 05:07 AM	#14
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Doctor Weir I disagree it was done poorly. It could possibly have worked better as an everday heroism moment if the exploding tumour had gone off, whilst Beckett was still operating. Rather than having been removed and handed over to the bomb tech and Beckett walking away. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

September 17 2012, 06:23 PM	#15
Kirby Rear Admiral Location: Alt: 5280	Re: Doctor Weir ^^ You realize that you attempted to explain how best to handle a character's death due to an exploding tumor. No amount of when and where he was when the tumor exploded will negate the fact that it was an EXPLODING TUMOR. That single moment ruined all credibility for that show for me. I couldn't feel anything for Beckett's death because of how stupid he died, and the preview for his return was even more stupid ("You won't believe the last 5 seconds of next week's show!" and then they showed it). A lot of bad decisions were made in the production of that show. __________________ Henderson!!!!