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Old January 11 2013, 01:29 AM   #241
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^ You're an encylcopedia!.
Just read a few and clogged up my brain Forgot to mention that the original Hand of Fear also featured Drax, who eventually turned up in The Armageddon Factor.

Do try the historicals: there's only four complete stories anyway (counting The Time Meddler, which still feels like one, despite the plot twist), two of which are at the top of the surviving Hartnells, and one immense fun (The Gunfighters is either rubbish or underrated, but either way, it's not a good one to try early, in case you loathe it and it puts you off historicals or Hartnell altogether).
Also, the whole historical/SF/Sf-historical division is a bit of a fanon thing: that's not the way it works in some of these stories. The Aztecs is arguably more serious SF than The Time Meddler, as it thinks more deeply about the SF issues of whether a time traveller can alter history.
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Old January 11 2013, 02:24 AM   #242
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^ You're an encylcopedia!.
Just read a few and clogged up my brain Forgot to mention that the original Hand of Fear also featured Drax, who eventually turned up in The Armageddon Factor.

Do try the historicals: there's only four complete stories anyway (counting The Time Meddler, which still feels like one, despite the plot twist), two of which are at the top of the surviving Hartnells, and one immense fun (The Gunfighters is either rubbish or underrated, but either way, it's not a good one to try early, in case you loathe it and it puts you off historicals or Hartnell altogether).
Also, the whole historical/SF/Sf-historical division is a bit of a fanon thing: that's not the way it works in some of these stories. The Aztecs is arguably more serious SF than The Time Meddler, as it thinks more deeply about the SF issues of whether a time traveller can alter history.
The Aztecs is one of my favorite Hartnell Stories and I don't care for most of the Historicals. I also like The Romans, it's pretty funny at points. That's the extent of what I can recommend (complete Stories or Incomplete). Both are complete

Many like Marco Polo, which is 7 Episodes, none of them surviving, however, there is a very good Reconstruction, that I believe has Color(ized?) Telesnaps
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Old January 11 2013, 03:05 AM   #243
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Watching the Classic collection on Netflix right now, up to part one of The Androids of Tara.
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Old January 11 2013, 11:55 PM   #244
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The Ice Warriors - I really enjyed ths one. The only Ice Warriors I was familiar with is the Pertwee Era Peladon Stories, so, this was nce to see their origins and see them as Villians (Though, not really villians persay, more like desperate and distrusting and making poor decisions).

Part 2 and 3 (the lost episodes) are mashed up into a single 17 minute Reconstruction, that's very easy to follow, as there is narration.

Do the Ice Warriors return again, or is this it until Peladon? I'd love to see them return in NuWho
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Old January 12 2013, 01:34 AM   #245
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Does 30 years in the TARDIS count? I just watched it for the first time.

So many people in it are gone now 20 years on, lots of nice interview clips and Pertwee's Who song at the end.
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Old January 12 2013, 01:56 AM   #246
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The Ice Warriors - I really enjyed ths one. The only Ice Warriors I was familiar with is the Pertwee Era Peladon Stories, so, this was nce to see their origins and see them as Villians (Though, not really villians persay, more like desperate and distrusting and making poor decisions).

Part 2 and 3 (the lost episodes) are mashed up into a single 17 minute Reconstruction, that's very easy to follow, as there is narration.

Do the Ice Warriors return again, or is this it until Peladon? I'd love to see them return in NuWho
There's The Seeds of Death between Ice Warriors and the Peladon pair. They would have been back in the 6th Doctor story Mission to Magnus if the original season 23 hadn't been cancelled (but you can get that as a Target novelisation or a Big Finish Missing Story CD). Beyond that, we're into the realm of rumours and spoilers....
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Old January 12 2013, 01:58 AM   #247
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Does 30 years in the TARDIS count? I just watched it for the first time.

So many people in it are gone now 20 years on, lots of nice interview clips and Pertwee's Who song at the end.
A disappointing DVD, as it really should have had the original tx version on it, and the other 1990s documentary, for completist reasons, rubbish though they both are compared with More Than 30 Years...
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Old January 12 2013, 02:23 AM   #248
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Ooh, OK, Seeds of Death is complete, that'll be a treat

About your Spoiler, thanks, I didn't read it, but, I know there's been some talk of it, though I don't know the details, hence why I didn't click the Spoiler. (Unless I've got it wrong)
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Old January 12 2013, 10:50 AM   #249
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Does 30 years in the TARDIS count? I just watched it for the first time.

So many people in it are gone now 20 years on, lots of nice interview clips and Pertwee's Who song at the end.
A disappointing DVD, as it really should have had the original tx version on it, and the other 1990s documentary, for completist reasons, rubbish though they both are compared with More Than 30 Years...
It is the More Than DVD I watched last night, I didn't know there were different versions.
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Old January 12 2013, 04:24 PM   #250
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There's the original transmission version of 30 Years in the TARDIS - the Late Show producers took it out of Kev Davies's hands about a week before transmission and re-edited it to their formula, adding in extra interviews with celebs talking about how they watched the show from behind the sofa. It's not half as good as More Than 30 Years, which Kev put together for BBC Video the next year according to his original plans, but it really should have been on the DVD for completist reasons.
The other documentary from that time is Resistance is Useless, which introduced the 1992 BBC2 repeats (Time Meddler, Mind Robber, Sea Devils, Daemons, Genesis, Androzani, Revelation and Battlefield, in case you asked, followed up in late 93/94 by Planet of the Daleks, Green Death and Pyrmaids of Mars), which is also pretty glib and a bit patronising, but... well, we're fans. We're completists.

BTW, one of the Brig's bodyguards in More Than... is Nick Pegg, a regular DWM contributor and Big Finish writer who's often to be found inside a Dalek in the new series....
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Old January 12 2013, 08:51 PM   #251
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I follow Nick Pegg on twitter I didn't spot him in the background though.

I must get the rest of the Shada DVD watched tomorrow.
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Old January 12 2013, 09:09 PM   #252
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He's rather visibly gunned down in the final scene, as the Brig escapes into his limo, only to find.... Shock, horror, cliffhanger ending!
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Old January 12 2013, 09:28 PM   #253
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Barbara & Vicki's scintilating debate on the merits of asprin.)
A major continuity issue, by the way, as according to The Mind of Evil, aspirin is lethal to Time Lords, so why does the Doctor have any in stock?
The Doctor kept some around in case his granddaughter didn't stop giving him backtalk. The Doctor & Susan's relationship had a dark side.

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Except that turns out to be a misinterpretation of the MOE scene that's taken on a fanon life of its own... it very nearly became the reason for the Doctor's 7th regeneration!
I've only seen "The Mind of Evil" once and I don't really remember that part. What happened?

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I had particularly avoided seeing Hartnell and Troughton stories. Even back in the 80s, I thought they were too slow and padded. However, I've been pleasantly surprised by the ones that I've seen lately: The Arc, Invasion, The Krotons, etc.

I've avoided the pure historicals so far but I will have to give them a chance. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
I'm quite fond of "The Aztecs," "The Romans," & "The Gunfighters." Each is only 4 parts, so that helps with pacing.

"The Romans" is a brilliant door-slamming farce with a nice subplot of Ian risking everything to save Barbara from slave traders. (This is probably the single best story they ever did from an Ian/Barbara 'shipper point of view.)

And while "The Gunfighters" can be very cheesy at times and was overuses the song, I think it's got a nice balance of action & comedy. It's also got a lot of great performances in it, both from the guest stars playing Wyatt Earp & Doc Holliday as well as from William Hartnell himself. Hartnell really seems in top form in this story, absent most of the usual confusion and line-flubs that often define his performance. Some of the other guest stars, particularly those playing the Clantons, have very uneven accents throughout the story, but you can't have everything.

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The Ice Warriors - I really enjyed ths one. The only Ice Warriors I was familiar with is the Pertwee Era Peladon Stories, so, this was nce to see their origins and see them as Villians (Though, not really villians persay, more like desperate and distrusting and making poor decisions).
They become much more overtly villainous in "The Seeds of Death" when they try to wipe out all life on Earth by using deadly seed pods to significantly decrease Earth's oxygen content.
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Old January 13 2013, 12:31 AM   #254
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I was recently playing a Western themed card game called High Noon Saloon with my friends. At various points, I couldn't help but start singing "The Ballad of the Last Chance Saloon" from the Hartnell story "The Gunfighters." My friends were so intrigued that we spent most of New Year's Eve watching "The Gunfighters" and making up new verses to the song.
I hate that song with a passion. Nice to know that some people like it.

As for The Abominable Snowmen, I don't remember having severe problems with the reconstruction. I watched it on YouTube or another video channel.
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Old January 13 2013, 12:44 AM   #255
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As for The Abominable Snowmen, I don't remember having severe problems with the reconstruction. I watched it on YouTube or another video channel.
Thanks, I'll check again

Enemy of the World was fun, Troughton in a dual role as a Gangster/Politician. I liked the story quite a bit and the Reconstruction was nice. The cook, in a couple of instances sang out Holly from Red Dwarf to me, and the prissy Guard with the straight across bangs reminded me of Peter Davison a couple of times for some reason. Really cool the way the stories are still bleeding into each other as Web of Fear picks right up from the danger cliff hanger
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