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Old September 18 2008, 05:04 AM   #1
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What ever happened to the Stargazer?

Oka, forgive me because I don't know episodes, etc. I know picard commanded the stargazer before the Enterprise, If I'm not mistaken, that ship was on a 20 year mission and broke records for the longest continuing mission. I also know that picard and his crew had to abandon the stargazer after that battle with the feringi (sp). I remember an early TNG ep. where the feringi give the stargazer back to picard as a gift but its really a trick, and picard somehow relives the battle he abandoned the ship in, but thinks the enterprise is the feringi ship. so, my question is, did the enterprise blow up the stargazer and save picard? or was the stargazer towed to a starbase? if picard had to abandon the stargazer, how come it was fairly funtional when it was given back to him, and the enterprise couldnt detect the feringi components that would have been used to repair the ship? also, are the any other instances of a ship just being "left" in space? why was it destroyed or self-distructed? If the stargazer was taken back to the federation, I would assume that it would have been made into a museum or something because it was a fairly famous ship. lastly, are the any deck layouts for the stargazer? thanks for any info.
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Old September 18 2008, 05:45 AM   #2
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

The Stargazer was damaged in battle with the Ferengi at Maxia Zeta in 2355. All surviving crew had to evacuate the ship afterwards (it is not explained why).

In 2364, the Ferengi give Picard back an operable Stargazer. Did they fix it up? Did the crew abandon ship because of radiation that later dissipated? Who knows? It just 'was ok.' Picard then took it into battle against the Enterprise, but it was caught in a tractor beam and Picard was rescued. The ship was then towed to a starbase and never heard from again.
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Old September 18 2008, 06:07 AM   #3
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

It's a fair bet that it was a simply scrapped. It was a heavilly damaged ship of an out-dated class.
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Old September 18 2008, 08:03 AM   #4
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If I'm not mistaken, that ship was on a 20 year mission and broke records for the longest continuing mission.
Naah. No such record-breaking is ever mentioned. It's just that Picard may have served on that ship for a couple of decades straight, which is perhaps a bit exceptional even in Starfleet.

Although to be sure, the idea that he would have been aboard for 22 years is completely noncanon, and only derived from the TNG writers' guide. For all we know, Picard first set foot on that vessel 12 years before her loss at the Battle of Maxia, and assumed command seven years prior...

And no, we don't know how many of those X years he spent as the actual captain of the vessel. Even though Memory Alpha unfathomably chooses to say that he became captain (and Captain) immediately after the incident where the former skipper was killed and Picard took temporary command, the short reference in "Tapestry" does not establish this at all.

In essence, all we know about Stargazer vs Picard is that the guy was a bridge officer of unknown rank aboard that ship once ("Tapestry"); took command when the Captain was incapacitated, and gained brownie points ("Tapestry"); at some unknown date became the commanding officer of the ship ("The Battle"); at some unknown date earned the four pips of Captain ("Relics"); and in 2354, lost first his good friend Jack Crusher ("Farpoint" and "Violations" et al.) and then his ship ("The Battle"). We also know that the Stargazer was the first ship aboard which Picard served as captain or Captain, but not necessarily the first one he commanded ("Relics"). Everything else is open for speculation, including whether Picard had other commands or tours of duty on other ships at some point of the timeline.

also, are the any other instances of a ship just being "left" in space?
Several, but these involve the death or incapacitation of basically all of the crew (say, "Doomsday Machine" or "Omega Glory" or, almost, "This Side of Paradise"). There is IIRC no known case of the crew abandoning a starship yet surviving and returning to the Federation. OTOH, there is no known case of the crew abandoning a starship and then scuttling it, either. So we have no evidence that it would be a Starfleet practice to engage self-destruct - unless this is of immediate help in destroying the enemy as in, say, ST3 or VOY "Deadlock".

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Old September 18 2008, 10:28 AM   #5
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

We only saw a small portion of the interior. The rest of the ship could have been gutted by fire or contaminated by technobabble radiation or there could have been severe structural problems that we couldn't see...
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Old September 19 2008, 03:30 AM   #6
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

Was Picard made a full Captain when he took command of the Stargazer? I thought that since it was a smaller ship of an already 70 year old class that he might've been only a Lt.Cmdr or a Commander when he was in command (since you don't have to be a full Captain to command all classes of ships).
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Old September 19 2008, 03:41 AM   #7
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

I dunno. Probably covered in one of the novelizations.

Its possible the Stargazer is now in the Fleet Museum, in a little corner called "See Picard maneuvering".
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Old September 19 2008, 09:31 AM   #8
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

It's now a gift shop and restaurant.
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Old September 19 2008, 01:48 PM   #9
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

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Was Picard made a full Captain when he took command of the Stargazer? I thought that since it was a smaller ship of an already 70 year old class that he might've been only a Lt.Cmdr or a Commander when he was in command (since you don't have to be a full Captain to command all classes of ships).
One of the (IMO horrible) Stargazer novels has Jean-Luc as the ship's second officer, rank of Lieutenant Commander. He then takes charge when the captain is killed and the first officer is injured or something, I don't remember exactly, I'm trying to forget about the novels. *lol* He's then made captain I think. It's all non-canon anyway AND it is kinda false since Riker clearly says to him in "Encounter At Farpoint" that "Having been a first officer yourself, sir...", so we can assume that he must've been someone's first officer at some point.

So, we're once again left with a mystery, I guess.
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Old September 19 2008, 07:25 PM   #10
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Indeed, I can't believe Starfleet would give captaincy of a vessel to some junior upstart who just happened to save the day. Certainly that junior upstart would earn brownie points towards an eventual command job, and it is even possible that he would be remembered so fondly by those associated with the Stargazer that these powerful people would let him have that particular ship later on. But a direct jump to skipper just because you temporarily replace the deceased former one? Not all that believable.

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Old September 19 2008, 11:11 PM   #11
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

Personally, I like to think Picard was first officer of Stargazer when he took command after his commanding officer died, and had just passed the bridge officer test and was therefore at the rank of full commander. After a few years, like Sisko on DSN, he was promoted from commander to captain while maintaining his previous billet, c.o. of Stargazer. I do agree that 22 years on one ship is a bit ridiculous. I like to think Picard had other assignments before serving on Stargazer. -- RR
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Old September 20 2008, 05:31 AM   #12
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

i always assumed the Stargazer ended up in the fleet museum. over twenty years of exploration under the same captain, thats pretty remarkable. Kirk was only Captain of the 1701 for ten then Captain of the A for six or seven.
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Old September 20 2008, 05:53 AM   #13
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

The FASA RPG suggested that the Stargazer was decommissioned after its recovery by the Enterprise. So it could certainly have been placed in a museum, or (less glamorously) scrapped.
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Old September 20 2008, 12:32 PM   #14
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i always assumed the Stargazer ended up in the fleet museum. over twenty years of exploration under the same captain, thats pretty remarkable.
...If true. Could be she was under the same captain for just five years or so.

Kirk was only Captain of the 1701 for ten then Captain of the A for six or seven.
To be sure, we only saw five years of Kirk's captaincy, namely those in TOS and TAS. For all we know, he never got a second chance to captain the original ship, save for the brief stints in ST:TMP and ST2. What Kirk did with the E-A remains unknown as well - perhaps she was a dockside queen, not sailing out much save for the movie appearances?

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Old September 20 2008, 02:47 PM   #15
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Re: What ever happened to the Stargazer?

Here's the basic outline from the novels, with spoilers for Michael Jan Freidman's The Valiant and Christopher's excellent The Buried Age:


Now I need to go figure out what I did with The Buried Age, as I couldn't find it to double-check the Battle of Maxia. Argh.
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