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Old May 15 2013, 11:10 PM   #496
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I don't think they'll travel around the world, isn't SHIELD an american organization in this version? Operating internationally would make them criminals.
That's unclear. The use of "Homeland" in their current acronym implies an affiliation with the US Department of Homeland Security, yet in The Avengers they seemed to answer to some sort of international council.
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Old May 15 2013, 11:26 PM   #497
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Entertainment shows aren't bound by the strictures of reality. There have been any number of shows featuring globe-trotting agents who carry out hands-on missions around the world, either in cooperation with friendly governments or covertly in the case of countries with rogue regimes.
And I didn't like it in most of these shows (one of the few exceptions is Mission Impossible which made it clear that what they're doing is totally illegal and if they get caught the government will drop them like a hot potato) because I'm not comfortable the america = world police idea.
It's not even necessary, the USA is a very big and diverse country, I doubt there are many stories that can't be set within the jusrisdiction of an american SHIELD.

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That's unclear. The use of "Homeland" in their current acronym implies an affiliation with the US Department of Homeland Security, yet in The Avengers they seemed to answer to some sort of international council.
The Homeland part is what made me assume they're an american organization, there's also a lack of non-american characters on the team, I would expect at least one token foreigner if they were international.
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Old May 15 2013, 11:34 PM   #498
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Fox sued Marvel over Mutant X saying they had exclusive rights to the X-Men and that the show was similar enough to X-Men that it violated that agreement, so Fox's X-Men rights at least must extend to live action television.
That was before Marvel had the hordes of Disney lawyers to back them up.
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Old May 15 2013, 11:42 PM   #499
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That was before Marvel had the hordes of Disney lawyers to back them up.
Fox has hordes of lawyers, too, and the X-Men rights deal was very favorable to Fox. Disney's juice isn't necessarily enough to prise those rights - either movie rights or live action TV rights - away. And Marvel's defense at the time wasn't that they had the right to make a live action X-Men TV show, but that Mutant X wasn't derived from the X-Men property.
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Old May 15 2013, 11:49 PM   #500
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It wasn't. It was a vaguely similar premise but without any of the Marvel universe and mythology behind it and, as I recall, it was also absolutely terrible. Use of "Mutant" seems to be what got them, and I'm pretty sure that play wouldn't have worked if those Fox lawyers were up against a worthy opponent.
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Old May 16 2013, 12:34 AM   #501
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"Mutant" plus "X" is what got them.
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Old May 16 2013, 12:50 AM   #502
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Is anything/one not owned by another studio automatically available to Marvel Studios?
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Is anything/one not owned by another studio automatically available to Marvel Studios?
Yes, they have the rights to all Marvel properties that haven't been specifically optioned to other studios.
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Old May 16 2013, 01:17 AM   #504
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"Mutant" plus "X" is what got them.
MUTANT X was actually the title of an X-Family book, although, the actual content of the book in no way was reflected in the TV show.
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^^^
Bad idea to use that title. But the point really is that the question was raised as to whether Marvel has the live action TV rights to all of their characters, and they clearly don't.
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Old May 16 2013, 01:48 AM   #506
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Or it could mean that Bell is choosing not to confirm or deny anything, and would say the same whether it was an established character or a fully original one. Producers tend to do that.
Not just producers. Clark Gregg straight-out lied about his involvement with the show before it was announced. In fact, he lied about Coulson dying in Avengers as well. Tom Hiddleston lied about being in Avengers. Hayley Atwell denied involvement in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
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Old May 16 2013, 01:55 AM   #507
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It would be silly to keep the mystery going if he just turns out to be an original character, though.
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If the show portrays them as just jumping into their plane, flying around the world and playing superhero cop, it would make SHIELD a bunch of terrorists.
Well, they did order a nuclear strike on Manhattan without refering the White House in any way, and the real-life Pentagon refused to cooperate with the Avengers movie for exactly that ambiguity.

Unless it's been cleared up by Iron Man 3, which I haven't yet seen, I think this SHIELD show had best clarify just what this organization is, and fast.
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Clark Gregg straight-out lied about his involvement with the show before it was announced. In fact, he lied about Coulson dying in Avengers as well. Tom Hiddleston lied about being in Avengers. Hayley Atwell denied involvement in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Happens all the time. Marion Cotillard also lied by saying she wasn't Talia in The Dark Knight Rises. It is done to preserve the surprise for fans.
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Old May 16 2013, 02:17 PM   #510
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Well, they did order a nuclear strike on Manhattan without refering the White House in any way, and the real-life Pentagon refused to cooperate with the Avengers movie for exactly that ambiguity.
SHIELD didn't order the nuclear strike. The nebulous Council they reported to ordered the strike, and Fury, the head of SHIELD, refused to obey that order.

Unless it's been cleared up by Iron Man 3, which I haven't yet seen, I think this SHIELD show had best clarify just what this organization is, and fast.
SHIELD plays no role in Iron Man 3.
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