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Old September 4 2012, 12:59 PM   #31
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Re: Who is the most famous character?

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If Hernandez had been captain instead of Archer.. that would have been incredibly wonderful. But maybe not worked well with the series plan to show how stupid humans were in the beginning.
She did seem to have more in the common sense department than Archer.
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Old September 4 2012, 01:51 PM   #32
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Archer, well without him there would be no Federation.
That might be taking things too far. Without Archer, Starfleet would have planted someone else in the centerseat. The series of events that transpired leading to the Romulan War and the later Federation would have still happened, even without Archer's existence.

The crew of the Enterprise likely would have been identical, minus Archer, and plus (imho) Hernandez.

Looking at the series, Hernandez would have been the obvious second choice for the Enterprise's command. With another Captain chosen for the Columbia.

We saw what happened in without Archer in "Shockwave" - an Earth in ruins, and the Federation never existed.

Be may have been written extremely blandly (at first, anyway), but in-universe, the guy was essential.
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Old September 6 2012, 06:27 PM   #33
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Don't forget Spock returned from the dead. That's gotta be worth some mention.
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Old September 6 2012, 06:33 PM   #34
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Archer, well without him there would be no Federation.
That might be taking things too far. Without Archer, Starfleet would have planted someone else in the centerseat. The series of events that transpired leading to the Romulan War and the later Federation would have still happened, even without Archer's existence.

The crew of the Enterprise likely would have been identical, minus Archer, and plus (imho) Hernandez.

Looking at the series, Hernandez would have been the obvious second choice for the Enterprise's command. With another Captain chosen for the Columbia.

I thought Gardner and Robinson were the other choices, with Soval preferring Gardner.
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Old September 6 2012, 06:41 PM   #35
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Don't forget Spock returned from the dead. That's gotta be worth some mention.
As have several other characters.
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Old September 6 2012, 07:44 PM   #36
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Don't forget Spock returned from the dead. That's gotta be worth some mention.
As have several other characters.
But isn't Spock the only one to be dead at the end of a movie/episode then brought back later? I'm talking about on-screen.
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Old September 6 2012, 11:40 PM   #37
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Well Scotty was killed in "The Changeling", before being brought back by Nomad.
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Old September 7 2012, 12:09 AM   #38
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Kirk and Picard maybe some other captains to.....
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Old September 7 2012, 01:56 AM   #39
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I'm late to the thread, but I'd suggest it may depend on the state of the Federation (It might have changed to the point where Archer wouldn't be given credit for their government entity) and where the Federation citizen is living. If the Federation has outposts or colonies deep inside the Delta Quadrant somewhere alone the route Voyager took, Janeway may be famous for those Federation races living there...

On Bajor, it may be Sisko.

Let me give you an example. My wife grew up in Virginia. It would be hard for her and those who grew up with her not to know who Stonewall Jackson is. But where I grew up, back in good ol' New England, not that many people would know until perhaps college.

In other words, if whoever helped found the UFP in 2161 or explored the unknown in the 23rd Century were not relevant to people on certain worlds, they wouldn't know who Archer and Kirk are. Kirk would be forgotten once there are more starfleet captains exploring the cosmos. Janeway explored the unknown more than he did.
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Old September 7 2012, 04:09 AM   #40
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ARCHER: Hello, I was the first Earth captain to travel through space and make first contact.

SISKO: Hello, I lead the Federation to victory in the Dominion War, knocked Q on his ass, and became a god to the people of Bajor.

JANEWAY: Hello, I got my crew stranded in the Delta Quadrant, but I made up for it by kicking the Borg's ass.

PICARD: Hello, I have saved numerous worlds, sufficiently annoyed the hell out of Q, defeated the Borg after the battle of Wolf 395, all the while being an officer and a gentlemen.

KIRK: Hello, my name is Kirk, James Kirk. I defeated the god Apollo, I have shagged every hot babe this side of the galaxy. I have personally spread the human seed to every M class planet, except the ones where the women were really really ugly.
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Old September 7 2012, 06:22 AM   #41
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I realize you are just playing...

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ARCHER: Hello, I was the first Earth captain to travel through space and make first contact.
No, he wasn't

SISKO: Hello, I lead the Federation to victory in the Dominion War, knocked Q on his ass, and became a god to the people of Bajor
Not a god, just an religious icon

JANEWAY: Hello, I got my crew stranded in the Delta Quadrant, but I made up for it by kicking the Borg's ass.
You forgot having her ship nearly destroyed due to cheese and making coffee from a nebula.

PICARD: Hello, I have saved numerous worlds, sufficiently annoyed the hell out of Q, defeated the Borg after the battle of Wolf 395, all the while being an officer and a gentlemen.
No, that was Riker

KIRK: Hello, my name is Kirk, James Kirk. I defeated the god Apollo, I have shagged every hot babe this side of the galaxy. I have personally spread the human seed to every M class planet, except the ones where the women were really really ugly.
Yes, Picard grew up learning about the sexual exploits of Kirk on the Orion homeworld and his frequent trips to Risa.
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Old September 7 2012, 06:54 AM   #42
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The obvious answer is Wesley Crusher. Duh!
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Old September 7 2012, 07:14 AM   #43
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^no. It's Molly O'Brien. She would grow up to save the universe from his father who had turned to the dark side after being tortured for the last time.
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Old September 7 2012, 07:16 AM   #44
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Archer is someone you'd have to memorize facts about for history.

Kirk is someone you have posters of on your bedroom wall.
I totally missed this post.
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Old September 7 2012, 07:28 AM   #45
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Yes, Picard grew up learning about the sexual exploits of Kirk on the Orion homeworld and his frequent trips to Risa.
He didn't just learn about them, he had the collector's edition holoprogram! Under his mattress of course.
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