RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,236
Posts: 5,438,639
Members: 24,957
Currently online: 577
Newest member: zanejc

TrekToday headlines

Cumberbatch In Wax
By: T'Bonz on Oct 24

Trek Screenwriter Washington D.C. Appearance
By: T'Bonz on Oct 23

Two Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Oct 22

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Welcome to the Trek BBS! > General Trek Discussion

General Trek Discussion Trek TV and cinema subjects not related to any specific series or movie.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 21 2012, 09:52 PM   #16
Temis the Vorta
Fleet Admiral
 
Temis the Vorta's Avatar
 
Location: Tatoinne
Re: Could "Star Wars" happen in the 23rd Century Mirror Universe?

The Castellan wrote: View Post
Would ou have preferred that Trek 09 had been a flop and killed the franchise for good?
Better than a WTF mutation catered for the average dumb, joe sixpack, since that's all that Hollywood caters to these days.
Since any Star trek movie is going to be a dumb action-fest, because that's how movies are nowadays, unless they're fall-release Oscar bait, the alternative is no movie at all. So if you don't like it, you don't have to watch. You're not going to get the movie you want because nobody's going to fund it.

The true value in Abrams' movies is that they increase the odds of Trek returning to TV from zero to something more than zero. Movies are a sea of stupidity, but there are some very smart and worthwhile TV shows on cable, and that's where Star Trek could be worthwhile again.

From TWOK forward, Trek films have had more action adventure content. Though TOS was an action adventure show with a fair amount of fights, explosions ( on a modest TV budget) and daring-do. Star Trek 09 is in keeping with that "tradition".
Yeah, the movie wasn't dumb in the context of Star Trek movies as a whole, which are hardly either intellectual or great art, and compared with other recent action flicks, it comes off very well by comparison. But the core of the franchise was never movies, it was always TV. Star Trek needs to return to the medium it is adapted to. Two hours every few years isn't enough time to do much at all.
Temis the Vorta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 22 2012, 12:54 AM   #17
Elvira
Vice Admiral
 
Elvira's Avatar
 
Location: t'girl
Re: Could "Star Wars" happen in the 23rd Century Mirror Universe?

Mars wrote: View Post
Lets take this universe with the Terran Empire and ask the question, can this in anyway resemble Star Wars?
Could you have a rebel alliance that opposes the Empire and seek to overthrow it, in order to (presumable) replace it with their own leaders? Sure.

Could the rebels be mostly Humans, with only a smattering of non-Human aliens? Sure.

Could one of the rebel leaders be a woman from a planet ruled by a royal family? Making her a princess? Sure.

Could one of the planets in the Federation/Empire be a desert world that orbits one of the stars in a binary star system? Sure, Vulcan is a desert world so they do exist.

Some things would be different, the Terran Empire is more than twenty-some years old, and the proceeding assemblage of worlds was far less than a thousand years old.

The Terran Empire is smaller than the Galactic Empire of Star Wars
Maybe not. The spacecraft is the Star Wars universe seem to be able to travel across their galaxy very quickly. One way they could do this is if the "galaxy farfar away" were very small in size, only several millions stars (as opposed to our galaxy's 300 billion stars). The area of the Milky Way that holds the Federation/Empire in the 24th century might actually be bigger than the entire Star Wars galaxy.

Temis the Vorta wrote: View Post
Would ou have preferred that Trek 09 had been a flop and killed the franchise for good?
Personally, I would have preferred that Star Trek "Eleven" had stayed true to the general established themes of Star Trek's several hundred hours of history. Changing Star Trek into Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Titanic, or whatever simply in order to achieve box office is a less desirable end.

Yes Temis, if you alter it heavily enough, you can make a generic summer movie with girls in their underwear and lots of explosions and in the end the slacker who got it right once gets a big reward with out trying very hard. Despite the title, that isn't Star Trek.

And maybe I would like a smaller fall/winter movie, with a smaller budget, more interesting characters and fewer special effects. If the end result is that it is what it says it is.

Star Trek

__________________
.
no mere mortal can resist the evil of the thriller

Last edited by Elvira; September 22 2012 at 01:16 AM.
Elvira is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 22 2012, 02:13 AM   #18
Geoff Peterson
Fleet Admiral
 
Geoff Peterson's Avatar
 
Location: 20 feet from an outlet
Re: Could "Star Wars" happen in the 23rd Century Mirror Universe?

T'Girl wrote: View Post
Personally, I would have preferred that Star Trek "Eleven" had stayed true to the general established themes of Star Trek's several hundred hours of history. Changing Star Trek into Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Titanic, or whatever simply in order to achieve box office is a less desirable end.

Yes Temis, if you alter it heavily enough, you can make a generic summer movie with girls in their underwear and lots of explosions and in the end the slacker who got it right once gets a big reward with out trying very hard. Despite the title, that isn't Star Trek.

And maybe I would like a smaller fall/winter movie, with a smaller budget, more interesting characters and fewer special effects. If the end result is that it is what it says it is.

Star Trek

Thing is Star Trek contains multitudes. There is no one type of Star Trek story. TOS especially produced every type of story imaginable. ST09 is as much a Star Trek story as The Trouble With Tribbles, Spock's Brain and City On the Edge of Forever.
__________________
Nerys Myk
Geoff Peterson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 25 2012, 02:12 AM   #19
Mars
Captain
 
Re: Could "Star Wars" happen in the 23rd Century Mirror Universe?

Betsemes wrote: View Post
I am still to see good reasons (save for time) as to how Star Wars and Star Trek cannot be merged and a story be told that's true ST and true SW. SW things could be just things never mentioned/known on ST and viceversa, or maybe known under different names.

While it's true that the Force is a metaphysical thing for the Jedi, it could be just science for a ST-centered civilization. Subspace and hyperspace are not mutually contradicting. ST technology uses subspace technology while SW uses hyperspace technology. Both subspace and hyperspace can coexist.

The real problem for a true SW/ST crossover is that the galactic civil war against the evil empire took place "a long time ago". How long ago? I'd guess it was thousands of years ago, but it could have been hundreds of years ago. So while ST takes place in our future, SW takes place in our past, maybe with thousands of years in between.
A long time ago from when? If it was a long time ago from a point that's a long time in the future, the Star Wars Galaxy could be our own galaxy in the distant future. Basically its another way of saying "Once upon a time".
Mars is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 25 2012, 03:36 AM   #20
Geoff Peterson
Fleet Admiral
 
Geoff Peterson's Avatar
 
Location: 20 feet from an outlet
Re: Could "Star Wars" happen in the 23rd Century Mirror Universe?

Mars wrote: View Post
Betsemes wrote: View Post
I am still to see good reasons (save for time) as to how Star Wars and Star Trek cannot be merged and a story be told that's true ST and true SW. SW things could be just things never mentioned/known on ST and viceversa, or maybe known under different names.

While it's true that the Force is a metaphysical thing for the Jedi, it could be just science for a ST-centered civilization. Subspace and hyperspace are not mutually contradicting. ST technology uses subspace technology while SW uses hyperspace technology. Both subspace and hyperspace can coexist.

The real problem for a true SW/ST crossover is that the galactic civil war against the evil empire took place "a long time ago". How long ago? I'd guess it was thousands of years ago, but it could have been hundreds of years ago. So while ST takes place in our future, SW takes place in our past, maybe with thousands of years in between.
A long time ago from when? If it was a long time ago from a point that's a long time in the future, the Star Wars Galaxy could be our own galaxy in the distant future. Basically its another way of saying "Once upon a time".

Do a little research.
__________________
Nerys Myk
Geoff Peterson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 26 2012, 05:41 AM   #21
ngc7293
Commander
 
ngc7293's Avatar
 
Location: Michigan
Re: Could "Star Wars" happen in the 23rd Century Mirror Universe?

I'm not familiar with the Star Wars Past (like 10,000 years ago) but wasn't there a time BEFORE the force? What if the Trek time period took place in this era. That way there would be no problems with lightsabers and no force. I know, "there ain't no Star Wars without the Force, but I'm just trying to think of an alternative.
__________________
Judy Waxhorn: "Lighbulb is shot can't see a damn thing. Prepare to trash the ship. LaForge, disable the warp-core protection system. Troi, take the helm. All hands, prepare for DRAMA."
ngc7293 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28 2012, 04:27 PM   #22
Bagliun Edar
Lieutenant
 
Bagliun Edar's Avatar
 
Location: Morjathar
Re: Could "Star Wars" happen in the 23rd Century Mirror Universe?

Mars wrote: View Post
A long time ago from when? If it was a long time ago from a point that's a long time in the future, the Star Wars Galaxy could be our own galaxy in the distant future. Basically its another way of saying "Once upon a time".
The phrase "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away" is George Lucas' way to mean "Once upon a time". But taken at face value, it's obviously a long time ago from the time it's being told: now... or rather 1977, the year SW hit the theaters for the first time.
Bagliun Edar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 1 2012, 01:17 AM   #23
Mr.AtoZ
Lieutenant Commander
 
Mr.AtoZ's Avatar
 
Location: Sarpeidon's past
Re: Could "Star Wars" happen in the 23rd Century Mirror Universe?

Some sci-fi worlds can have a workable cross-over and others not really so. Star Wars and Star Trek are just so different that it just doesn't mix well. Now maybe Babylon 5 and Star Trek I could see happening.
Mr.AtoZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:26 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.