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Old February 22 2011, 08:37 PM   #1
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Defiant vs. Enterprise-E (Sorry, I'm new here)

This has probably been discussed to death, but I was wondering...

Sisko and his entire crew on the Defiant, even Worf.

Picard and his entire crew on the E-E, even Worf (yes, duplicate Worf)

They fight it out believing each other is controlled by the Borg. Who'd win?
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Old February 22 2011, 08:59 PM   #2
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Re: Defiant vs. Enterprise-E (Sorry, I'm new here)

Whoever has more brains and guts.... Nothing is certain and nobody knows everything...so whoever comes up with the more brilliant strategies and takes the most calculating risks will come out victorious. That's what it boils down to in war and on the battlefields. Alexander The Great was gravely outnumbered against the more technologically advanced Persian army, which numbered in the millions. But because of quick thinking and his willingness to go to the grave along with his soldiers, he led the Macedonian calvaries against the Persians and came out victorious.

On a side note: he looked like a teenage boy than a man, but he commanded respect (because of his bravery and brutalities) and came out victorious. So who do you think would in a fight...a Klingon vs Romulan, or Vulcan?
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Old February 22 2011, 10:57 PM   #3
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Re: Defiant vs. Enterprise-E (Sorry, I'm new here)

Assuming TNG Worf is on the Enterprise and DS9 Worf is on the Defiant, DS9 Worf would destroy TNG Worf to show how much stronger DS9 Worf was. Worf would demonstrate The Worf Effect on Worf.
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Old February 23 2011, 04:07 AM   #4
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Re: Defiant vs. Enterprise-E (Sorry, I'm new here)

Which one is Batman on board, and does he have time to prepare?

Ah screw it, Chuck Norris will roll flip a coin and decide which one he'll destroy and which one he'll let live.
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Old February 23 2011, 04:28 AM   #5
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Re: Defiant vs. Enterprise-E (Sorry, I'm new here)

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Assuming TNG Worf is on the Enterprise and DS9 Worf is on the Defiant, DS9 Worf would destroy TNG Worf to show how much stronger DS9 Worf was. Worf would demonstrate The Worf Effect on Worf.
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Old February 23 2011, 04:39 AM   #6
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My vote would be for Enterprise-E although the Defiant would be really close. The Enterprise is a stronger ship and its weapons are more powerful.
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Old February 23 2011, 04:40 AM   #7
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Re: Defiant vs. Enterprise-E (Sorry, I'm new here)

I would go with Enterprise E, in a hear beat!!!
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Old February 23 2011, 04:56 AM   #8
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Assuming there is no cloak being used......Sisko could be a match for Picard tactically, but in the end, it would be Enterprise E because it has technology based on, and probably improve upon the Defiant's technology, and a lot more firepower.

With a cloak, Defiant takes out E,before she knows what hit her.
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Old February 23 2011, 05:15 AM   #9
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Assuming there is no cloak being used......Sisko could be a match for Picard tactically, but in the end, it would be Enterprise E because it has technology based on, and probably improve upon the Defiant's technology, and a lot more firepower.

With a cloak, Defiant takes out E,before she knows what hit her.
Yeah the cloak is one thing going for the Definat that would totally outmatch the Enterprise.
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Old February 23 2011, 05:23 AM   #10
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I never understood the circumvention of the Treaty of Algernon. If everyone has all the same technologies it gets mighty old.

But as to cloak, I have no doubts that between Geordi and Data it wouldn't be a huge factor. So that leaves it up to armament and armor. And a battleship always beats a tin can.
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Old February 23 2011, 05:28 AM   #11
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We don't need the cloak on The Defiant! We can use well, coordinated, good, guerrilla tactics against a superior firepower and technologies. Just like they did in Vietnam! [laugh]
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Old February 23 2011, 05:40 AM   #12
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I never understood the circumvention of the Treaty of Algernon. If everyone has all the same technologies it gets mighty old.

But as to cloak, I have no doubts that between Geordi and Data it wouldn't be a huge factor. So that leaves it up to armament and armor. And a battleship always beats a tin can.
If they were actively looking for Defiant...maybe Data and Geordi could detect it. Data and Geordi could detect Warbirds under cloak due to phase variations or whatever, and cloaks were designed for Romulan ships, not Federation ones. So it may be easier to find Defiant than a Warbird.

But then again, Defiant has the Chief, who is at least as good as Geordi, Dax who has 300 years of experience and is\was a scientist (depending on which Dax), and Kira's experience as a guerrilla warfare specialist. They could compensate, and gain enough of an element of surprise to fire the first, and possibly crippling, shot.
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Old February 23 2011, 06:07 AM   #13
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They fight it out believing each other is controlled by the Borg. Who'd win?
The Borg.
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Old February 23 2011, 06:44 AM   #14
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el Chalupacabra wrote: View Post
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I never understood the circumvention of the Treaty of Algernon. If everyone has all the same technologies it gets mighty old.

But as to cloak, I have no doubts that between Geordi and Data it wouldn't be a huge factor. So that leaves it up to armament and armor. And a battleship always beats a tin can.
If they were actively looking for Defiant...maybe Data and Geordi could detect it. Data and Geordi could detect Warbirds under cloak due to phase variations or whatever, and cloaks were designed for Romulan ships, not Federation ones. So it may be easier to find Defiant than a Warbird.

But then again, Defiant has the Chief, who is at least as good as Geordi, Dax who has 300 years of experience and is\was a scientist (depending on which Dax), and Kira's experience as a guerrilla warfare specialist. They could compensate, and gain enough of an element of surprise to fire the first, and possibly crippling, shot.
As a TNG man, I see O'Brien primarily as the guy who runs the transporters. So buying into that one has always required some suspension of disbelief.

The problem with a cloak is that you need to drop it to fire and/or raise shields. So there's a period where you're a sitting duck to worry about.

Sure, I'm sure Kira would have some fun tricks at the ready, but I don't see many of them getting past TNG Worf. And then there's always Troi's vague warnings about hostility. "I'm sensing a threat..."

But at the end of the day, I see many noble redshirts falling.
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Old February 23 2011, 07:01 AM   #15
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Re: Defiant vs. Enterprise-E (Sorry, I'm new here)

Both ships have quantum torps so they're evenly matched there but the Defiant's pulse phasers are forward facing only so it would have to rely on strafing runs while the E has phaser banks in many locations, as well as aft torps, so it could attack and defend from any angle. Based on this, I'm gonna go with the E for the win.
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