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Old September 1 2012, 03:29 PM   #46
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Re: The Great Star Trek Pocket Novel Reread

Finished reading the three bantam books that Christopher recommended.

I enjoyed both Planet of Judgment & World Without End, especially the prep that any sane person would do before exploring the unknown. Found it interesting that both Haldeman's books had the ent crew going for a sort of "one way trip". I felt World Without End had the more compelling aliens and was more fun in general.

Spock Must Die! I found rather odd when it came to the mechanism for the main draw in the novel, what happened to spock. Other then that I quite liked it, the length & nature of the self imposed mission was fun, as was the eventual ending, as a kind of what if.
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Old September 4 2012, 12:48 PM   #47
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Just finished The Klingon Gambit and Vendetta.
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Old September 4 2012, 05:09 PM   #48
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I've been reading some of the older Tos and Ds9 novels .I've read the lost years miniseries the Invasion miniseries.I like alot of the older novels better than alot of the Typhon pact stories.I miss the starship crews exploring new planets and space exploration.
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Old September 6 2012, 11:56 AM   #49
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Since I've fallen behind in updating on this thread, here is a quick wrap-up of what I have read so far.

Firstly, I've decided to read in a more random order than I had originally planned, so have used a randomiser to jumble up the books. So don't be surprised to find later books mingled in with older here.

Star Trek TOS: The Entropy Effect

An interesting time travel novel, centering mainly on Spock and set during the original five year mission, The Entropy Effect was written by Vonda McIntyre. It introduced a number of secondary characters who would then appear and/or be mentioned in some of her later books, notably in her novelisations of Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock. The novel was well written, the characters instantly recognizable (except for Scotty), and it was intriguing to watch Spock and McCoy slowly figure out what was really going on and how to stop it. Recommended.

Star Trek TOS: The Klingon Gambit

Akin to The Naked Time and its sequel, this novel sees the crew of the Enterprise travel to a world which begins to affect how they act. In fact, it affects them so much that they are all pretty much unrecognizable. Only Kirk continues to act as we would expect him, for the most past, although he comes across as weak willed in some passages. I didn’t enjoy this very much, it wasn’t well written and the characterization of the crew left a lot to be desired. Not recommended.

Star Trek TOS: The Covenant of the Crown

Set in between TMP and WOK, The Covenant of the Crown has hints of a fantasy quest novel to it, dropping the characters of Spock and McCoy into the middle of a coming-of-age adventure to recover a lost crown. Tied in with this was the search for a spy aboard the Enterprise as Captain Kirk tries to make up for what he feels was a mistake made when he was a young Lieutenant. This novel was great, working on numerous levels. Recommended.

Anyone else read any of these three? What did you think?

In the next couple of days, I’ll post some mini-reviews of the next three books I read:
The Wrath of Khan novelization
Yesterday’s Son
The Search for Spock novelization
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Old September 6 2012, 11:59 AM   #50
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I have fond memories of The Covenant of the Crown. Howie Weinstein is underrated.
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Old September 6 2012, 01:40 PM   #51
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Anyone else read any of these three? What did you think?
I finished Covenant just two days ago!

Already talked about my dislike for TEE. Actually turned out I had never read The Klingon Gambit(which I guess must have had its blurb written well in advance since it was rather dissimilar from the book). I enjoyed the idea of it - the whole andorian/city bit was very clever, and mccoy cracked me up, but Kirk was terribly written given what the orb was supposed to have done to him.

Covenant of the Crown was fairly fun, but could probably have done with being a bigger book - there were certainly the ideas for one, so it ended up feeling slightly rushed to me, but other then that it was very good.

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In the next couple of days, I’ll post some mini-reviews of the next three books I read:
The Wrath of Khan novelization
Yesterday’s Son
The Search for Spock novelization
Heh, and here's me having just bought(and with great reluctance given how bad Triangle is) "The Prometheus Design".

Won't be able to chime in with the novelisations, but I do have Yesterday's Son.
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Old September 7 2012, 12:20 AM   #52
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Wrath of Khan and Search For Spock were both good in novel form!
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Old September 7 2012, 12:45 AM   #53
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Reanok wrote: View Post
I've been reading some of the older Tos and Ds9 novels .I've read the lost years miniseries the Invasion miniseries.I like alot of the older novels better than alot of the Typhon pact stories.I miss the starship crews exploring new planets and space exploration.
I Highly recommend that you read Kirsten Bayers voyager re-launch series. In a fashion it goes back to exploring and meeting new races and planets. Even if you dont like voyager these should defenty be read ... ooo and most of titans novels as well.
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Old September 7 2012, 12:59 AM   #54
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Prometheus Design is terrible. I only have it to complete the collection. It is not a trek story and they do not write the characters faithfully. It's just a crazy ride with a lot of prepositions in the descriptive passages that I hardly knew what was going on. Good luck! Yesterdays Son - loved it! Also too the sequel - Time For Yesterday (my first trek book) I enjoy Crispin's ST stories very much.
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Old September 7 2012, 01:15 AM   #55
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I think The Prometheus Design deserves some credit for attempting to tackle some big philosophical and sociological questions, even if it didn't really do much more than pose them and talk about them without really coming to any sort of resolution.
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Old September 7 2012, 03:06 AM   #56
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i had just started up my own reading of all the TOS books about a month ago, Captain Sarine. I've been reading them in publication order. I just finished "Yesterday's Son." Loved what was there, just wish it had more meat to the story. But then, I have yet to read "Time for Yesterday." I'm holding off on reading Star Trek 2 and 3, until i get to 4. Then i'm gonna read all 3 as one big trilogy. I just started "Mutiny on the Enterprise" last night. Gotta say, it's starting off better than Vardeman's last TOS novel, "The Klingon Gambit."
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Old September 7 2012, 02:18 PM   #57
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i had just started up my own reading of all the TOS books about a month ago, Captain Sarine. I've been reading them in publication order. I just finished "Yesterday's Son." Loved what was there, just wish it had more meat to the story. But then, I have yet to read "Time for Yesterday." I'm holding off on reading Star Trek 2 and 3, until i get to 4. Then i'm gonna read all 3 as one big trilogy. I just started "Mutiny on the Enterprise" last night. Gotta say, it's starting off better than Vardeman's last TOS novel, "The Klingon Gambit."
Mutiny on the Enterprise was good, I thought. Interesting ideas. I agree Yesterdays Son was a bit short, and felt like more could've been explored and explained. Time for Yesterday focuses more on Zar and Spock, Kirk, and McCoy in his world. I hope that's not a spoiler. It's a longer novel, and well written.
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Old September 7 2012, 02:25 PM   #58
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I think The Prometheus Design deserves some credit for attempting to tackle some big philosophical and sociological questions, even if it didn't really do much more than pose them and talk about them without really coming to any sort of resolution.
Well, it was difficult for me to really understand what they were trying to say. Also too, when I pick up a Trek book, I want to read a Trek book and I do realize how subjective that statement is. If the characters were more convincing, that might help, but the writing style is a bit convoluted for me and so not enjoyable. There is a lot of sexual overtone and I always get the impression of two school girls thinking up crazy fantastic adventures that they happen to use ST characters for and whenever they can, they make sure someone is naked. I know a certain amount of sexy is part of ST, but the novels written by these ladies, are just not for me. But yes, I did buy all three, and I did read all three... (shrug)what can I say?
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Old September 7 2012, 02:48 PM   #59
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^Well, yeah, I agree that the Marshak-Culbreath books were very... self-indulgent in a lot of ways. But at least they occasionally tried to put their history, psychology, and philosophy degrees to use and work some ideas into their books along with all the fannish indulgence. The Fate of the Phoenix, their second novel for Bantam, deserves credit for being the first Trek novel to challenge the ethics of the Prime Directive, although, again, it doesn't really embrace the issue, just introduces it, talks about it for a bit, and then moves on to other stuff.

And they did four novels, not three -- The Price of the Phoenix and The Fate... for Bantam, The Prometheus Design and Triangle for Pocket. Plus they edited the two Star Trek: The New Voyages anthologies for Bantam, contributing two stories to the second ("Surprise!," co-written with Nichelle Nichols, and "The Procrustean Petard"), and I've heard it alleged that they significantly rewrote the other stories in those anthologies.
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Old September 7 2012, 06:20 PM   #60
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^Well, yeah, I agree that the Marshak-Culbreath books were very... self-indulgent in a lot of ways. But at least they occasionally tried to put their history, psychology, and philosophy degrees to use and work some ideas into their books along with all the fannish indulgence. The Fate of the Phoenix, their second novel for Bantam, deserves credit for being the first Trek novel to challenge the ethics of the Prime Directive, although, again, it doesn't really embrace the issue, just introduces it, talks about it for a bit, and then moves on to other stuff.

And they did four novels, not three -- The Price of the Phoenix and The Fate... for Bantam, The Prometheus Design and Triangle for Pocket. Plus they edited the two Star Trek: The New Voyages anthologies for Bantam, contributing two stories to the second ("Surprise!," co-written with Nichelle Nichols, and "The Procrustean Petard"), and I've heard it alleged that they significantly rewrote the other stories in those anthologies.
oh that's right - four novels. I forgot there were 2 Phoenix books. I read those back to back and it blurred alittle for me. I have read those anthologies too. I'm not sure I believe the stories were re-written as they really do have different flavors, but The "Procrusten Petard" read very true to their ST style. And "Surprise!" actually surprised me! It was comical more than I expected. Perhaps this lighter side was cut out of the series more often than not? Uhura's character would have been fun to see if she were a bit sassier. When I read it, I felt the 1960s coming thru, if that makes sense...I did not experience the 1960s and so I am always curious to see those little details that show what that time was like.To see the future as envisioned by the past is interesting and insightful.
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