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Old August 21 2012, 11:00 AM   #16
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Re: Darth Pike?

We would see MACO's then but we don't.
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Old August 21 2012, 03:24 PM   #17
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I did know that but he was an important part of the team and he that said he or they took inspiration from SW.
Nu-uh. This video PROVES it's a scene-for-scene rip-off of Starship Troopers!
That's pretty funny.
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Old August 21 2012, 05:15 PM   #18
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I could do without Section 31 putting in an appearance, tbh.
Too bad there isn't a 'Like' button because I agree with this one-hundred percent.
Another "Like." Fuck Section 31.
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Old August 21 2012, 07:15 PM   #19
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I mean J.J does copy the structure of the SW OT. The first movie was wery much like the New Hope it would make sense that the tone and even the structure from the second movie will be similar to EsB. is Pike going to be revealed as a bad guy or someone who has to dod something really evil in order to achiev the greater good. He has to be in some shadowy cabal according to the Archon comic and it would also make sense since J.J. imitates Star wars. i really that cabal will be Section 31.

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Yeah...where do you get that JJ is imitating Star Wars? Because he threw in a 1-second easter egg of R2D2?
The Narada is wery similar to the death Star in terms of destructive ability.

Important peACEFULL PLANET blownup...check

Old mentor figure living in exile...check

Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check

Final battle onboard the Death Star/Narada...Check

Hero without purpose on Iowa/Tatooine...Check
One action movie does tend to be a lot like another, doesnt it? You could take any numner of summer popcorn flicks and create a checklist like this. Its a testament to the creative straightjacket of the two hour Hollywood action movie format, not JJ Abrams nefarious desire to draw down Star Trek. If you want more, Star Trek needs to get back on TV, where the straightjacket will be a bit looser.
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Old August 21 2012, 09:46 PM   #20
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Drago-Kazov wrote: View Post
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I mean J.J does copy the structure of the SW OT. The first movie was wery much like the New Hope it would make sense that the tone and even the structure from the second movie will be similar to EsB. is Pike going to be revealed as a bad guy or someone who has to dod something really evil in order to achiev the greater good. He has to be in some shadowy cabal according to the Archon comic and it would also make sense since J.J. imitates Star wars. i really that cabal will be Section 31.

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Yeah...where do you get that JJ is imitating Star Wars? Because he threw in a 1-second easter egg of R2D2?
The Narada is wery similar to the death Star in terms of destructive ability.

Important peACEFULL PLANET blownup...check

Old mentor figure living in exile...check

Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check

Final battle onboard the Death Star/Narada...Check

Hero without purpose on Iowa/Tatooine...Check
Aaand so what?

Different movies often have a number of story elements and plot devices in common without being copies of one another; this is not news. You could draw at least as many parallels between Star Wars and Sink the Bismarck!
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Old August 22 2012, 12:24 AM   #21
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The Narada is wery similar to the death Star in terms of destructive ability.

Important peACEFULL PLANET blownup...check

Old mentor figure living in exile...check

Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check

Final battle onboard the Death Star/Narada...Check

Hero without purpose on Iowa/Tatooine...Check
Interesting. Let's see if I can make the same distinctions with Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

1. "The Narada is wery similar to the death Star in terms of destructive ability." So is V'ger.

2. "Important peACEFULL PLANET blownup...check" Not a planet, but the reaction to the destruction of Epsilon Nine was analogous to this.

3. "Old mentor figure living in exile...check" You mean like how Spock exiled himself to Vulcan to undertake Kohlinar?

4. "Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check" I've never heard of this rumor before, so I'm not giving it any credence until some source is named.

5. "Final battle onboard the Death Star/Narada...Check" You mean like how Kirk, Spock, Decker and Ilia entered V'Ger and got it to stop it's attack on Earth?

6. "Hero without purpose on Iowa/Tatooine...Check" You mean like how Spock didn't know what his purpose was until his experience with V'Ger allowed him to find it?


I don't think Robert Wise had Star Wars in mind when he made his film, and yet at its core it has the same elements you named, which I'm sure I could find with a ton of other movies too.
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Old August 22 2012, 02:03 AM   #22
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4. "Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check" I've never heard of this rumor before, so I'm not giving it any credence until some source is named.

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What J.J. meant there was that it would be like the Mos Eisley cantina scene in the sense that it would be filled with aliens, not that it was going to going to be a direct copy from Star Wars nor even necessarily set in a cantina. In the end, it was still closer to Star Wars than Abrams wanted to go with it and the scene was discarded.

See here:
Make-Up Artist Magazine article wrote:
So Abrams turned to Barney Burman and his team at Proteus Make-up FX to craft alien creatures for the film, which recounts the earliest adventures of the Enterprise crew. It was a big job: The artists had to produce and execute new designs for various aliens, and they had to do it more quickly than they originally anticipated. As Burman recalled, “There was originally going to be a scene with most of our alien species, which would shoot towards the end of production, but J.J. always had a problem with it, because it was like, ‘Here’s our big cantina scene where all the aliens show up!’

“J.J. didn’t want it to be a Star Wars kind of scene, so he ultimately scrapped it and changed it to just one alien. For the rest of the aliens we were going to make, he said, ‘Let’s pepper them throughout the film from the beginning,’
so instead of having more than three months to get them all done, we suddenly had to produce them in a matter of weeks.”
http://makeupmag.com/news/newsID/426/
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Old August 22 2012, 04:05 AM   #23
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What the OP is talking about is the Hero's Journey, inspired by Joseph Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces, and most mainstream Hollywood films follow its outline rather slavishly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RstI-8z1qaM This video is not exactly correct in all the details, but it is close enough. . . also look up Chris Vogler's The Writer's Journey which is practically a bible in Hollywood, and distills Campbell down to something manageable. . .


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Old August 24 2012, 06:59 AM   #24
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Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check
A scene that was not, in fact, in the movie and apparently was never even filmed?

No. Uncheck.
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Old August 24 2012, 09:01 AM   #25
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And Pike is almost like Kirks second father so it would make sense.
I can't remember any indication that Pike and Kirk saw each other even once from the time Pike advocated Kirk join Starfleet, and Kirk rushing onto the Enterprise's bridge years later.

Pike as a second father?

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Old August 24 2012, 09:22 AM   #26
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I mean J.J does copy the structure of the SW OT. The first movie was wery much like the New Hope it would make sense that the tone and even the structure from the second movie will be similar to EsB. is Pike going to be revealed as a bad guy or someone who has to dod something really evil in order to achiev the greater good. He has to be in some shadowy cabal according to the Archon comic and it would also make sense since J.J. imitates Star wars. i really that cabal will be Section 31.

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Yeah...where do you get that JJ is imitating Star Wars? Because he threw in a 1-second easter egg of R2D2?
I still think that's a rumour. After all, if I can't see it, it can't be there.
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Old August 24 2012, 05:15 PM   #27
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Here...
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Old August 27 2012, 08:23 AM   #28
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Is that for real?
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Old August 27 2012, 09:43 AM   #29
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Yep. There's also a barely visible Millenium Falcon among the fleet that attacks the Borg in First Contact.
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Old August 27 2012, 01:04 PM   #30
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Huh. The picture looks kind of photoshopped, but I will take your word for it, as I am too lazy to pause the film to look for it myself.
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