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View Poll Results: Rate The Eternal Tide.
Outstanding 82 49.70%
Above Average 49 29.70%
Average 27 16.36%
Below Average 2 1.21%
Poor 5 3.03%
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Old August 25 2012, 03:30 PM   #91
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Re: VOY: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Looks very hot to me
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Old August 25 2012, 04:19 PM   #92
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Books that sound like fan-fiction to this degree are almost universally bad.
Why is ending up in Chak's bed sounding like fan fiction?

Trek needs more beds.
Do I actually have to explain why what you described sounds like pairing fan fiction?
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Old August 25 2012, 04:38 PM   #93
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Books that sound like fan-fiction to this degree are almost universally bad.
Why is ending up in Chak's bed sounding like fan fiction?

Trek needs more beds.
Do I actually have to explain why what you described sounds like pairing fan fiction?
Considering the utter lack of detail and context -- yes, you do.

Does the fact that fan fiction sometimes focuses on romantic relationships between central characters means that the novels should never feature such relationships too?
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Old August 25 2012, 04:54 PM   #94
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Pairing fan fiction is not regarded as bad because it focuses on romantic relationships, but because it does so in a cheesy, merlose place manner, the intent to advocate one's favorite pairing being obvious.
The description read as exactly that. If this is the endgame of the book - well, it's not encouraging.
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Old August 25 2012, 06:28 PM   #95
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Pairing fan fiction is not regarded as bad because it focuses on romantic relationships, but because it does so in a cheesy, merlose place manner, the intent to advocate one's favorite pairing being obvious.
The description read as exactly that. If this is the endgame of the book - well, it's not encouraging.
The "description" was so vague that it could lend itself to any number of different contexts. I would advise waiting and actually reading the book before jumping to conclusions about its content.
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Old August 25 2012, 06:53 PM   #96
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I don't even know why this is surprising. The relationship was established back in Full Circle.
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Old August 25 2012, 08:36 PM   #97
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Plus it's a logical step from the series...as opposed to what the series ended up doing.

And this is coming from someone who doesn't like either character anyway
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Old August 25 2012, 11:55 PM   #98
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I don't even know why this is surprising. The relationship was established back in Full Circle.
Yes and the foundation was laid in the show itself, and not just in a fandrooling subtext way. A lot of people have spent many, many years championing that relationship (not me, lol) so I'm pretty happy for them that it actually came to pass.
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Old August 26 2012, 01:23 AM   #99
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I'm so happy that she's back! Kirsten Beyer I love you! You're now my all time favorite Trek author!
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Old August 26 2012, 04:34 AM   #100
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Damn. I was hoping we'd get more books dealing with a Janewayless Voyager before she came back. I'm still looking forward to the book and seeing how she comes back, I just wish it had happened later in the series.
Now, I'm not trying to start any fights here or anything. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with her coming back in general, or people who are happy she's back. I just liked the stuff that was being done with the characters dealing with her being gone, and would have liked to get a little more of it.
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Old August 26 2012, 04:41 AM   #101
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I just wish people would read the book before being happy she's back. I mean, I'm sure Kirsten did a great job, but she deserves to be praised for what she actually wrote; and how it happened, what it means to the characters and the world, is surely more important than just whether or not it happened. Praising the event in the abstract rather than the actual story it happened in just seems superficial to me -- as superficial as condemning something as "like fanfiction" just because you read two brief sentences about it in a BBS thread. Positive or negative, Kirsten's work deserves to be judged for what it actually contains, not just for some hearsay someone read about a single part of it.
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Old August 26 2012, 08:16 AM   #102
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I just wish people would read the book before being happy she's back. I mean, I'm sure Kirsten did a great job, but she deserves to be praised for what she actually wrote; and how it happened, what it means to the characters and the world, is surely more important than just whether or not it happened.
We can't have both kinds of praise?

Pre-reading the book: PRAISE KIRSTEN, SHE HAS RETURNED THE JANEWAY!

Post-reading the book: PRAISE KIRSTEN, HOW IT HAPPENED AND WHAT IT MEANS WAS FASCINATING AND WONDERFUL!
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Old August 26 2012, 08:37 AM   #103
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I'm so happy that she's back! Kirsten Beyer I love you! You're now my all time favorite Trek author!
Now someone needs to set Forevertj straight:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=364
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Old August 26 2012, 08:42 AM   #104
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I didn't even realize there were two threads. Isn't that other one the one for no spoilers? Seems to be rather spoiled already.
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Old August 26 2012, 08:48 AM   #105
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In the meantime, a little question regarding pricing...... This book has just been released for ordering on bol.com, and the price has gone from the usual 7,99 euro to 10.99 euro.
Have Pocket Books raised the price on all new Trek releases, or is it just this single novel?
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