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View Poll Results: Rate The Eternal Tide.
Outstanding 83 49.70%
Above Average 50 29.94%
Average 27 16.17%
Below Average 2 1.20%
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Old December 10 2013, 10:31 AM   #586
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Re: VOY: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Having taken some time away from the novel-verse for a couple of years after leaving Star Trek Magazine, I'm working my way through, and started with Children of the Storm and The Eternal Tide, as I was partway through the latter when the proverbial hit the fan in the fall of 2011. Reviews of all the recent Trek novels will start showing up at Sci-Fi Bulletin with The Eternal Tide here now: http://scifibulletin.com/books/tie-i...-eternal-tide/

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Old February 20 2014, 05:54 AM   #587
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I finished this up just a few minutes ago.
My review from Goodreads (I switched to it from Shelfari this week):
This book is another great installment by Kirsten Beyer. First of all I'm going to address the elephant in the room: Janeway's return. I know a lot of people hate resurrections in these kinds of stories, but I don't mind them if they are done well, and this one was IMO. It was done in a way that fit into what's already been established about the Star Trek Universe, and it also fit into the story being told very well.
I also liked the answers we were finally given about Eden in this story. The storyline with her has been a very interesting arc, although at first I did think it was a little similar to Odo's story from DS9. Luckily the answers we got were very different.
The conecition between Omega and the Q was really interesting. I'm a bit Q fan, and I really liked what Kirsten did with them here.
It was nice to get to revisit Riley Frasier and The Cooperative from the episode Unity. I've been really hoping that the books would revisit planets and races from the TV series and really liked the way that it was done here.
I got a kick out of seeing Icheb again. I always liked the character on the show, so I was very happy that we got to spend a few moments with him, and I'm glad that it sounds like he might be sticking around.
I voted Outstanding.
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Old March 20 2014, 03:08 PM   #588
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I finally got around reading this over the last week. I'm a little disappointed with the return of Janeway. I personally like the Eden character a lot more and was getting used to her in charge. For some reason the Chakotay/Janeway shipper relationship seems out of place and often "forced". I don't reject it totally as it made for compelling reading in the previous novels as Chakotay tries to deal with his grief and move on but in some ways Janeway's return almost negates all that Chakotay went through. I should add I'm not a big fan of hitting the reset button and I don't think reset can get any more obvious than this.

I must add that I have found Kirsten Beyer to be an excellent writer. Her style of prose really appeals to me and for the most part she captures the voices of the various characters quite well. I'm taking a break to read Greg Cox's new book (No Time Like The Past) and then will come back to Voyager and read Protectors. I really would love to see what Kirsten could do with The Next Generation or the Titan series. I hope that maybe after she finishes the trilogy Pocket Books would allow her to explore other areas of the Trek universe. If she's doomed to write Voyager for the rest of her Trek career she still will have a faithful reader in me as she writes some of the best Trek books ever written in my opinion even if they are Voyager (my least favorite TV series btw).

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Old March 20 2014, 03:28 PM   #589
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I finally got around reading this over the last week. I'm a little disappointed with the return of Janeway. I personally like the Eden character a lot more and was getting used to her in charge. For some reason the Chakotay/Janeway shipper relationship seems out of place and often "forced". I don't reject it totally as it made for compelling reading in the previous novels as Chakotay tries to deal with his grief and move on but in some ways Janeway's return almost negates all that Chakotay went through. I should add I'm not a big fan of hitting the reset button and I don't think reset can get any more obvious than this.

I must add that I have found Kirsten Beyer to be an excellent writer. Her style of prose really appeals to me and for the most part she captures the voices of the various characters quite well. I'm taking a break to read Greg Cox's new book (No Time Like The Past) and then will come back to Voyager and read Protectors. I really would love to see what Kirsten could do with The Next Generation or the Titan series. I hope that maybe after she finishes the trilogy Pocket Books would allow her to explore other areas of the Trek universe. If she's doomed to write Voyager for the rest of her Trek career she still will have a faithful reader in me as she writes some of the best Trek books ever written in my opinion even if they are Voyager (my least favorite TV series btw).

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I don't think Kirsten thinks of writing Voyager as doomed. Having talk to her, I know she has an intense love for these characters, I think she'd be happy to write them as long as they will allow her too.
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Old March 20 2014, 03:51 PM   #590
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^^^ Also, the decision to bring Janeway back wasn't entirely Kirsten's idea. Well, it was, but only in response to something the editor wanted her to do. The entire thing is apparently not the way Kirsten had originally intended the story to go if not for the "suggestion" made by her editor, who is to be fair her boss, so she kinda had to. Given that, I think she did a good job with what was handed to her.

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Old March 20 2014, 04:36 PM   #591
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^ Personally I thought it was dang near perfect. But that is me
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Old March 20 2014, 11:48 PM   #592
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I finally got around reading this over the last week. I'm a little disappointed with the return of Janeway. I personally like the Eden character a lot more and was getting used to her in charge. For some reason the Chakotay/Janeway shipper relationship seems out of place and often "forced". I don't reject it totally as it made for compelling reading in the previous novels as Chakotay tries to deal with his grief and move on but in some ways Janeway's return almost negates all that Chakotay went through. I should add I'm not a big fan of hitting the reset button and I don't think reset can get any more obvious than this.
I think what Protectors does with the Chakotay/Janeway relationship will make you a lot happier than you might expect, based on the ending of Eternal Tide. Give this all a second chance to settle before you make up your mind...
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Old March 21 2014, 12:58 AM   #593
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I finally got around reading this over the last week. I'm a little disappointed with the return of Janeway. I personally like the Eden character a lot more and was getting used to her in charge. For some reason the Chakotay/Janeway shipper relationship seems out of place and often "forced". I don't reject it totally as it made for compelling reading in the previous novels as Chakotay tries to deal with his grief and move on but in some ways Janeway's return almost negates all that Chakotay went through. I should add I'm not a big fan of hitting the reset button and I don't think reset can get any more obvious than this.
I think what Protectors does with the Chakotay/Janeway relationship will make you a lot happier than you might expect, based on the ending of Eternal Tide. Give this all a second chance to settle before you make up your mind...
Well also maybe read what author Ms. Beyer fairly recently wrote about the J/C relationship (on 3/1/14 in the Protectors Review thread in this forum) before perhaps thinking what happens in Protectors is the last word (for good or ill) on that subject, just fyi. PS link to page noted writings are on: http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=235960&page=12

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Old March 21 2014, 02:03 AM   #594
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I wasn't suggesting it was the final word on the subject. Believe me, I've read voraciously everything she's written on here about Protectors! Protectors is still nonetheless of a markedly different flavor than the end of Eternal Tide.
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Old March 21 2014, 02:09 AM   #595
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I think what Protectors does with the Chakotay/Janeway relationship will make you a lot happier than you might expect, based on the ending of Eternal Tide. Give this all a second chance to settle before you make up your mind...
I'll take your word for it Thrawn. I trust your judgment. Like I said I intend to read Protectors as soon as I finish Greg Cox's latest, but it might get pushed back until I read the latest Christopher's Enterprise novel as it's due in my mail box tomorrow. In any case it will be soon and I'll let you know what I think about the Chakotay/Janeway relationship.

And Enterpriserules...perhaps "doomed" was too strong a word. I would be happy to read whatever she writes but I just would like to see what she could do elsewhere in the Trek universe. If she would be happy and fulfilled to write only for Voyager then that's what she should do.

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^ You should listen to her interview with us on Literary Treks about TET, it is the second episode we did. We really got to dive into the book and her thought process behind it.
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Old March 21 2014, 02:29 PM   #597
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^ I will certainly do that Matt but not until I have read Protectors because I want to avoid any spoilers. Thanks for the tip!

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^ There are no spoilers for Protectors in TET episode, so no worries there. We did have her back for Protectors so enjoy that one as well
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