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Old June 17 2014, 02:59 PM   #1186
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Re: La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

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Going through the end of season 3 recently I was amazed at how many episodes were (or seemed to be) tracked entirely with season 1 music or even the two pilots!
Yes--the tracked score for "The Lights of Zetar" is almost a tribute episode, considering all it took from the 2nd pilot score.
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Old June 17 2014, 04:14 PM   #1187
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Zetar was one of the few to use the actual cues from prior seasons (they also used The Doomsday Machine). Most of the other episodes had library music which rerecorded season one scores with season 3 orchestrations.
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Old June 17 2014, 04:20 PM   #1188
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^There weren't many changes in the orchestrations, were there? I think they substituted other instruments or voices for the electronic guitar in the pilot scores, but otherwise the orchestrations were pretty much the same, with just subtle differences in the performance and conducting, and maybe the occasional change to the ending of a cue so it would just trail off instead of segueing into another part.
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Old June 17 2014, 04:45 PM   #1189
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The third season re-recordings of the pilots are very different because they didn't have that one fellow's "magic box" that made a lot of the electronic effects.
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Old June 17 2014, 04:56 PM   #1190
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^Yes, that or the electronic guitar. But otherwise the arrangements were pretty much the same, right?
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Old June 17 2014, 05:31 PM   #1191
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^Yes, that or the electronic guitar. But otherwise the arrangements were pretty much the same, right?
I'd say yes. Yesterday I just listened to Courage's second season re-recordings of Steiner and Fried's first season cues. (On the 47th anniversary of the recording.) There is a "Courage-ness" about them, different from when the original composers conducted. But I'm not sure that would count as a different arrangement.
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Old June 17 2014, 05:40 PM   #1192
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Perhaps I'm using the wrong word (I'm bad with musical terms), but it was recorded in the with the same sound and style of the third season. Maybe the number of players/size of orchestra is the difference, but they sound like 3rd season recordings rather than music pulled from the first season stock. I may be thinking of "orchestration."
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Old June 21 2014, 04:25 AM   #1193
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Well, "orchestration" would be the specific instruments used, how many, and at what times they play. For instance a trumpet could enter earlier in a second recording of the same piece and you might call that a different orchestration, even though a trumpet was used on the first.

If a different conductor conducts the same instruments differently, that would be a different "interpretation." I don't have the box set, but from dvd through external speakers, S3 seems to have better fidelity than S1. The music is more string-heavy, I know, but even trying to account for that they sound truer with more highs than strings in S1. Anyone with the box notice differences audio-wise through the run? of course maybe the skilled LaLa folks compensated in the mastering of the box.
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Old June 23 2014, 03:02 PM   #1194
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Cool, thanks. However it's best to say it, the rerecorded cues are done in the style of the third season.
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Old June 24 2014, 02:24 PM   #1195
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Cool, thanks. However it's best to say it, the rerecorded cues are done in the style of the third season.
Now I'm curious whether they're differently orchestrated; or if it's due to a different conductor, recording engineer, or audio technology.

Minutiae, eh?
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Old June 24 2014, 02:41 PM   #1196
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Yes, each season definitely has it's own sound. And no, I'm not a big fan of the third season sound. Even scores that everyone tells me I should love (Spock's Brain, Enterprise Incident) I'm not crazy about.
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Old July 9 2014, 05:29 PM   #1197
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Even scores that everyone tells me I should love (Spock's Brain, Enterprise Incident) I'm not crazy about.
Spock's Brain has a crazy fight theme, that appears in two cues: Caveman Fight and Scientific Fight. It just erupts over some placid, static music. Whenever I listen to that, I can't get it out of my head for a couple days.
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Old July 9 2014, 05:47 PM   #1198
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I just listened to "The Paradise Syndrome" CDs back to back. First the LLL and then the Royal Philharmonic.
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The original is of course unbeatable. ...
That said, I still got tremendous enjoyment out the Royal Phil. It's a tight, highlights-only presentation, so the 20 minutes go by fast.
The other thing that jumps out at me, the Royal Phil is a larger "instrument" than the studio orchestra Fried recorded with. I think it sounds better. Many times I prefer listening to that version – I wish they had recorded Fried's whole score. Their version is a good one, but its omissions don't all make sense to me ("Forest Montage", for example). Also, "Miramanee's Death" needs the sting.

But the bigger sound of the orchestra is a big plus to me, in the Bremner version.
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I just listened to "The Paradise Syndrome" CDs back to back. First the LLL and then the Royal Philharmonic.
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The original is of course unbeatable. ...
That said, I still got tremendous enjoyment out the Royal Phil. It's a tight, highlights-only presentation, so the 20 minutes go by fast.
The other thing that jumps out at me, the Royal Phil is a larger "instrument" than the studio orchestra Fried recorded with. I think it sounds better. Many times I prefer listening to that version – I wish they had recorded Fried's whole score. Their version is a good one, but its omissions don't all make sense to me ("Forest Montage", for example). Also, "Miramanee's Death" needs the sting.

But the bigger sound of the orchestra is a big plus to me, in the Bremner version.
That's one thing that has kept me from buying the box, which I applaud, by the way. I just don't think I would revisit the discs after a listen, due to the studio orch and dry sound. Unless they "sweetened" things for the release, which I doubt. I too heard those records/discs starting in the 80s which sounded so good.
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Old July 10 2014, 06:23 AM   #1200
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That's one thing that has kept me from buying the box, which I applaud, by the way. I just don't think I would revisit the discs after a listen, due to the studio orch and dry sound.
There's some great stuff on there. Even on the scores that have been released, there is new stuff. And of course there were a lot of unreleased scores. The Enemy Within score is probably my favorite of the "new" stuff; and it is awesome.

I think you're missing out.
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