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Old December 18 2012, 07:14 PM   #781
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Yeah, she was certainly more pleasant to listen to than Napier.

It still boggles my mind that Charles Napier, who became the go-to guy in movies and TV if you wanted a grizzled, stern, hardnosed authority figure, ever played someone as completely opposite to that type as Adam. Of course, I knew him as Adam long before I saw him in Rambo or DS9's "Little Green Men" or any of the rest, but that later persona came to define him so indelibly that now when I look back at him as Adam, it seems incongruous. And knowing that he actually co-wrote those hippie-ish songs? Wow.
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Old December 18 2012, 07:42 PM   #782
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Old December 18 2012, 07:53 PM   #783
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If I could be disappointed in anything, it's is the liner notes. After hearing about a 100+ page booklet by Jeff Bond (later divided up into the seasons), I was expecting a lot more indepth writing than we received. Very little on the evolution of the project, the restoration of the music, real alaysis of said music and so on. Half of the contents are pictures and musician lists. Granted, maybe a lot of this were in the web interviews, but I generally look for this stuff in the notes of the albums. His "Music of Star Trek" covers some things, but not in regards to this particular project.

A small niggle, considering the awesomeness of this set. It's my only complaint. I'll live.
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Old December 18 2012, 10:45 PM   #784
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If I could be disappointed in anything, it's the liner notes. After hearing about a 100+ page booklet by Jeff Bond (later divided up into the seasons), I was expecting a lot more indepth writing than we received. ... A small niggle, considering the awesomeness of this set. It's my only complaint. I'll live.
Yeah, I totally agree. I actually think the liner notes are very well-written: it takes a lot of work to be punchy and fit something informative & appropriate into that small space. But the space just isn't there, to go into what I would have liked to read.

If anyone is listening, I would shell out for an e-book comprised of the stuff you mention, plus cue sheets for all the episodes. I dunno how much, 10 or 20 bucks I guess, but I would buy that.

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Old December 18 2012, 11:08 PM   #785
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I actually think the liner notes are very well-written: it takes a lot of work to be punchy and fit something informative & appropriate into that small space. But the space just isn't there, to go into what I would have liked to read.
But that's the problem. The space is there. There's a much higher ratio of pictures to words than I'd prefer, and on the text pages there's a significant amount of empty space. Those 100 pages could've easily held twice as much text and still had room for a reasonable amount of artwork.


But yes, I definitely want a companion book from Jeff Bond.
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Old December 18 2012, 11:43 PM   #786
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Got home about an hour ago to find that IT'S HERE!!!

I'm going to start listening to it within the next few minutes.
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Old December 19 2012, 02:23 AM   #787
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Okay, finished listening to the first three discs comprising "The Cage," "Where No Man Has Gone Before," "The Man Trap," "The Naked Time," "Charlie X," "The Corbomite Maneuver," "Balance Of Terror" and "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"

There is terrific stuff in this. I like turning the lights way down, closing my eyes and letting the music take me to so many places. Soon enough you recognize cues and sequences that were used in later episodes in particular scenes. Yet beyond that is the wonderful evocative sensibilities of this music, wonderfully orchestral and yet still conveying that sense of being far off in deep unknown space and on truly alien worlds. The music could easily have been used in feature films and belies the fact it was composed for a (comparatively) regular television series production. Alexander Courage really establishes a good overall tone in the beginning that later composers would follow and build on with their own distinct touches. Courage's work in the beginning does sometime seem a tad more dated with some of the otherworldly sounds to his compositions, something of a '50s and '60s spacey sic-fi vibe to it. Fred Steiner's work builds on Courage's and yet feels more modern without that aforementioned sound. I must admit that while Courage set the original tone and style I think I prefer Steiner's work as it feels more timeless.

That said I like Courage's original Star Trek theme in "The Cage" to the later electric violin version heard in the earliest episodes. The next orchestral version of the main tile theme sounds more familiar and somehow right while also connecting back to Courage's original "The Cage" version.

I can't wait to listen to the following discs, but I think that's enough for tonight.
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Old December 19 2012, 03:02 AM   #788
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Those 100 pages could've easily held twice as much text and still had room for a reasonable amount of artwork.
Agree. That's an editorial decision though, not Jeff's. Right? And I guess I understand the decision. Producers like to put pics in this material. Witness the James Bond soundtrack CDs.

(This is one of those things that seems plausible, but breaks down if I think about it too much. Producers put pics in there to make the whole thing more attractive to, I guess, the casual buyer? But how was "the casual buyer" ever a factor for this set?)

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But yes, I definitely want a companion book from Jeff Bond.
Does Jeff read here?

Also, we should track down that Library of Congress article that we learned about in the interviews, the article that Steiner wrote that contained interviews with all the composers.

Yet I wonder, the student who provided Bond with the transcripts of all those interviews, which she found among Steiner's papers – I want to read those, but are there publishing rights involved? Does Bond have to wait until she publishes her paper, or whatever?
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Old December 19 2012, 03:26 AM   #789
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Well, I just finished the last two discs, and I feel this perverse impulse to give Warped9 a spoiler warning...

The last two discs include George Duning's three contributions to season 3, and... oh, my gods, "The Empath." Just amazing. Gorgeous, passionate, soulful, moving music, possibly my favorite TOS score. One of the best finale cues, too, with the triumphant rising strings just before the fanfare. I've had the Steiner/Varese Sarabande "Empath" suite for ages, but the original sounds so much better. Oh, and "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" is good too. The two have a lot of similarities, and it doesn't surprise me that they were recorded back-to-back (although that must've been one long day for Duning and most of the performers).

"And the Children Shall Lead" is a better score than I remembered. It has some excellent bits at the beginning and end, particularly "Triacus," "Triacus Burial," and the finale. There's a lot here that I'm not too familiar with, since most of it wasn't tracked and I don't watch the episode that often. How wonderful that I can now listen to the music without having to put up with that awful, awful episode!

Oh, and the Ivan Ditmars Brahms paraphrase from "Requiem for Methuselah" is nice too. The Wilbur Hatch presidential fanfare from "Savage Curtain" is more mediocre -- mainly just a historical curiosity, as the last bit of TOS music recorded.

The library cues on the final disc were a little underwhelming. I recognized a few of them -- another case where I've been aware of the differences all along but wasn't consciously sure I was hearing differences. Others I'm not so sure of, and on the whole they just sounded like inferior versions of the original cues, as if they were rushing through it or didn't have performers of the same quality.

Also, I have to wonder, are these selections of library cues not exhaustive? Because I'm sure there's at least one "Where No Man..." cue that was in "The Lights of Zetar" but wasn't heard here, namely "Force Field." So either that was re-recorded but not included on the box set, or the episode used the original recording in violation of union rules. (And come to think of it, the same goes for "Vina's Dance" in "Wolf in the Fold." That wasn't included in the second-season library cues. And the version in "Wolf" did sound like the same performance from "The Cage," though as I've learned from this set, I'm not necessarily good at discerning the difference between performances.)



Although there are inevitably some quibbles -- mainly regret that the liner notes weren't several times as extensive -- this is still an amazing piece of work from Neil and the folks at La-La Land, and they have my deep thanks. This is something I've wanted for most of my life and never thought I'd get, and now it's sitting on my dresser. And all 15 discs are unscratched and glitch-free, and hopefully will stay that way until I can get them "ripped" into my computer.


I found it interesting to notice the various themes the main characters and entities in the series were (or weren't) given. Let's see:

Captain Kirk had three themes: Courage's 4-note "Captain's Theme"; Steiner's 9-note leitmotif that he used in every one of his TOS scores; and Fried's extended theme that he used in all his second-season scores, forming the basis of "Captain Kirk/Mace Fight" in "Catspaw." Other composers just used the Courage fanfare for Kirk.

The Enterprise had two themes: the Courage fanfare and Steiner's inversion thereof which was introduced in "Kirk's Command" in "Charlie X." Maybe three, since Steiner introduced a new variation of the "Kirk's Command" melody in the third season. (I'm not sure if any movie composers have come up with themes specifically for Kirk or for the Enterprise; usually they just seem to use the movie's main theme for both.)

Spock, surprisingly, only had one TOS composer write thematic material for him, Gerald Fried in "Amok Time," although George Duning adopted Fried's "Mr. Spock" cue as his Spock theme. This is particularly surprising considering how many different leitmotifs Spock has been given in the movies (by Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, Cliff Eidelmann, and Michael Giacchino at least).

Conversely, Janice Rand made only a few appearances but had two distinct themes. Sol Kaplan gave her a burlesque-styled motif in "The Enemy Within" -- a bit tasteless considering she was the victim of an attempted rape there, but then everything about that is tasteless by today's standards -- and Steiner featured a Janice theme (or maybe a theme for Charlie's obsession with Janice) in "Charlie X."

Other semi-regulars: Fielding's "A Matter of Pride" from "Tribbles" served as a Scotty theme. And Courage's "The Naked Time" gave us a Sulu theme in "D'Artagnan-san" and a Chapel theme in "Medicine Girl." But of all the semi-regulars' themes, Scotty's was the only one that was used for the character more than once. (Movie-wise, Chekov got a Russian-styled theme for the aircraft carrier chase in The Voyage Home, courtesy of Leonard Rosenman. I think that's about it.)

The Klingons were given themes by two TOS composers: Fried gave them a 12-note motif which was used throughout "Friday's Child," and Steiner's "Elaan of Troyius" gave us a powerful Klingon ship motif and related Klingon battle motif. Ditto the Romulans: Steiner's "Romulan Theme" (repurposed for the Mirror Universe and Henoch) and Courage's 4-note motif from "The Enterprise Incident" -- along with his love theme for the Romulan commander, which I still think is an homage to Steiner's Romulan theme. (Later Klingon themes were contributed by Goldsmith, Horner, and Eidelmann in the movies and Ron Jones in TNG, though Jones's was based on Goldsmith's; later Romulan themes were provided by Jones and Don Davis on TNG and Goldsmith in Nemesis.)
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Old December 19 2012, 03:31 AM   #790
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Excellent interview with the team

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/spinning/2012/dec/16/


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Old December 19 2012, 03:45 AM   #791
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Yeah, I totally agree. I actually think the liner notes are very well-written: it takes a lot of work to be punchy and fit something informative & appropriate into that small space. But the space just isn't there, to go into what I would have liked to read.

If anyone is listening, I would shell out for an e-book comprised of the stuff you mention, plus cue sheets for all the episodes. I dunno how much, 10 or 20 bucks I guess, but I would buy that.

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Yeah, I want the cue sheets too... but I want actual reproductions of the typed sheets, not molested See-BS re-typeset junk.
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Old December 19 2012, 04:39 AM   #792
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After reading the Season One booklet I just had to jump ahead and listen to the library of cues to be used throughout the season. Fantastic stuff where so much of it is instantly recognizable. There are also pieces recorded but never used(!)---they sound like they could have been in TOS and yet they're also unfamiliar. Very cool.
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Old December 19 2012, 04:43 AM   #793
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After reading the Season One booklet I just had to jump ahead and listen to the library of cues to be used throughout the season. Fantastic stuff where so much of it is instantly recognizable. There are also pieces recorded but never used(!)---they sound like they could have been in TOS and yet they're also unfamiliar. Very cool.
Have you bothered reading this thread yet?
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After reading the Season One booklet I just had to jump ahead and listen to the library of cues to be used throughout the season. Fantastic stuff where so much of it is instantly recognizable. There are also pieces recorded but never used(!)---they sound like they could have been in TOS and yet they're also unfamiliar. Very cool.
Have you bothered reading this thread yet?
No, not all of it. It is, after all some fifty plus pages long (and counting). I know unused pieces of music were to be included in the set, but knowing it and actually hearing them are two different things.
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Old December 19 2012, 05:11 AM   #795
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That's one other shortcoming of the liner notes -- usually when soundtrack albums include unused cues, they notate them as such, but these notes only specify that in some cases. Of course, those of us who are lifelong TOS connoisseurs can mostly tell which were used and which weren't, but for others, and just for the sake of scholarship, it would be worthwhile to have that information.
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