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Old September 23 2012, 05:51 AM   #136
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Re: La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

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I just spent 2.5 years of my life writing and producing a book, so it really ticks me off hearing people talk about copying somebody's very hard, meticulous, long-expected work. All the people whining about price, how much total have you spent on pretty worthless crap over the years? How many different versions of seasons of scifi tv shows have you purchased? Wow. This is a huge deal. If it's too much for you at this time, I get that, cuz I've had times in my life literally emptying a piggy bank to buy frozen burritos at the IGA. But for the amount of necessary work, and the evident care, the price seems fair, given the niche market. Huge kudos to you all for undertaking and doing this project.
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Were there more people in the consumer world who felt this way --and actually practiced what this conveys -- things'd probably be a lot more affordable than some people seem ti insist they aren't.
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Old September 23 2012, 11:07 AM   #137
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Indysolo,

I don't recall if this has been stated before, but are the tracks in this release mixed for mono or stereo?
Also, will the 5-6 second 'bumper' fanfare music that played between commercials during the original network broadcasts be included?

Either way, I can't wait until the release in November. This is something I have wanted for a long, long time.

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Old September 23 2012, 07:30 PM   #138
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If it was recorded in stereo, it will be stereo on this set, so we do have some stereo material on this set. Most of it is mono.

No bumpers were found.
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Old September 23 2012, 07:42 PM   #139
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What are the chances that recordings of the music from TAS or other Filmation shows will ever be recovered? It is believed they were simply thrown out when Filmation closed down? Or is there any chance they could've survived, and if so, what efforts have been made to locate them?
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Old September 23 2012, 08:36 PM   #140
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I suspect the stereo material would be the main title rerecordings that were done for the Remastered project.

I'd be surprised if there was much more than that, as it was recorded for TV, purely a mono medium at the time.

Stereo would have been pointless and cost too much. Battlestar Galactica (70s series) was that way.
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Old September 24 2012, 02:34 AM   #141
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I've been watching the remastered TOS over the past months and have made it through episode 8 of Season 2. As one who is a big fan of film scores, I have to say that this set does not interest me. I was a bit surprised to hear how frequently the "ominous" music is reused episode after episode after episode. At first I thought perhaps that in season one, they were trying to save money by not re-scoring every episode. Season 2 definitely has more original music, but I still hear the re-use of prior material.

I can't imgaine wanting to listen to 2 CDs worth (at least) of the same thematic material cut over and over for different episodes.
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Old September 24 2012, 03:18 AM   #142
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I was a bit surprised to hear how frequently the "ominous" music is reused episode after episode after episode. At first I thought perhaps that in season one, they were trying to save money by not re-scoring every episode. Season 2 definitely has more original music, but I still hear the re-use of prior material.
That was standard practice in television throughout the '60s and '70s; it was only sometime in the '80s that union rules changed to require an original score in every episode.


I can't imgaine wanting to listen to 2 CDs worth (at least) of the same thematic material cut over and over for different episodes.
I don't think you quite understand. Of course this set would feature only the original use of each episode score; there'd be no reason to repeat them. There have been other CD (or before that LP) releases of scores from shows that used lots of tracked music, such as The Twilight Zone and Lost in Space, and the albums only include the original use of each score. Naturally the same would be the case here.

There was original music written for 33 episodes of TOS -- plus Fred Steiner's arrangement of "The Star-Spangled Banner" for "The Omega Glory," the songs from "The Way to Eden," etc. That's a hell of a lot more than 2 CDs' worth of music. The amount of music written for those 33 episodes would've typically been in the vicinity of 20-30 minutes each, though some had less. That's maybe around 14-15 hours of original music, say, without any repetition of cues. Fifteen CDs would come out to 18-19 hours' of content, and we know there are a number of unused, alternate, and bonus cues being included. So it adds up pretty well.

To put it in perspective: to date we've had 7 album or CD releases of TOS scores, plus two Best of Star Trek CD releases that included some TOS music along with other shows -- yet those albums only include music from 21 episode scores, and most of those are incomplete releases. So nearly 8 albums' worth of music only accounts for maybe 60% or less of what exists.
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Old September 24 2012, 04:08 AM   #143
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I believe I read that there was about 17.5 hours of material, and that a significant percentage of that was never even used in the series (library cues).

Also, nothing from the 3rd year, such as Elan of Troyus (sp?) and The Enterprise Incident, have not been released.

Also, some of those 7 albums mentioned above, only 3 were original recordings, the other 4 were composer-conducted rerecordings done after the fact.

Trust me when I say this, Andy H, you will not get the same cues presented endlessly to recreate the full scores as heard in the episodes.

You'll get each cue only once, regardless of whether is was repeated several times, tracked from the original episode score, or library music that was written with no particular scene in mind.
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Old September 24 2012, 04:50 AM   #144
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This will be one of those treasures that I'll certainly have no qualms over paying for it.
Work harder and faster!
Pending any major catastrophes (I don't foresee any) my audio work is all done. We have masters for all 15 discs that have been vetted and we're still listening to them and making sure everything is good.

We're in the artwork phase now. Things are looking nice there. Everything is on schedule.

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So, can you give us a little tease? Perhaps let on how you got those Glen Glenns in you hands?

Just a taste...enough to wet our beaks.
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Old September 24 2012, 08:04 AM   #145
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Indysolo,

Just to be clear...

The bumper music I mentioned earlier -
I found it with a YouTube search.

It is a ten-second video clip from a 16mm film source. The first half is a bumper card with the Nimoy v.o. "Tonight's Star Trek will continue in a moment", followed by the second bumper card and ST fanfare music.

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRalX_Fkb7Q
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Old September 24 2012, 10:51 AM   #146
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Also, nothing from the 3rd year, such as Elan of Troyus (sp?) and The Enterprise Incident, have not been released.
Not the original recordings, no, but the re-recordings from Varese Sarabande included "The Empath" and the Label X ones included suite arrangements of the scores to "The Paradise Syndrome," "Is There in Truth No Beauty?," and "Spectre of the Gun" (i.e. various cues from the episode blended into a single continuous piece, sometimes with slight changes to smooth the transitions).


Also, some of those 7 albums mentioned above, only 3 were original recordings, the other 4 were composer-conducted rerecordings done after the fact.
Of course, but I was only using them to give a sense of the amount of Trek music that had been released so far and how much more has yet to be released. It's a damn sight more than "2 CDs" worth.

Also, only the Sarabande ones were conducted by a TOS composer, Fred Steiner. The two Label X albums were conducted by Tony Bremner, and the suite arrangements were mostly done by Clyde Allen and/or Bremner, though they did get George Duning to do the arrangement for his own score to "Truth No Beauty?"

Oh, also it's worth pointing out Alexander Courage's "The Menagerie: Suite," a seven-and-a-half-minute suite arrangement of music from "The Cage," which appeared on the 1990 Cincinnati Pops album Time Warp (also available on iTunes and a lot of other places).


You'll get each cue only once, regardless of whether is was repeated several times, tracked from the original episode score, or library music that was written with no particular scene in mind.
I don't remember there being any library music to speak of in TOS... except maybe one time. There was a third-season episode, I forget which one now, that had no original score of its own but closed with a Couragey-sounding cue that was never used in any prior episode. Other than that, just about every recycled TOS music cue has an identifiable source in one of those 33 original scores.
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Old September 24 2012, 04:53 PM   #147
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Christopher, this set will be ear opening for you in regards to library music for Trek.

ACE, I know about that YouTube clip. No bumper material was found on our tapes. I suspect they were recorded at different sessions, and not the episode scoring sessions.

And my quote about season three music (which gets misinterpreted all the time) was "no original season 3 music beyond the main title has ever been released". It's true, we've had re-recordings but never the actual recordings used in the show.

Andy H, we don't duplicate episodes that had tracked scores (episodes that didn't have original scores written and thus used previously composed music). If you're hearing music multiple times in shows, chances are it's a tracked episode. We'll have the music on our set, but it will only be heard in the episode for which it was written and as intended by the composer.

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Old September 24 2012, 04:56 PM   #148
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I'm aware of the re-recordings, and they are quite good (I really enjoy the Corbomite Maneuver, really powerful writing, IMHO).

But they are somewhat different from the original recordings, as you already know.
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Old September 24 2012, 05:38 PM   #149
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I think the re-recordings and suites are worth having as alternative takes on the music, and they have some nice bits that are uniquely theirs. But it will definitely be good to have the original versions at last. There are some bits that I definitely prefer in their original form.

Indysolo, how much diegetic music will be on the set? I think you did confirm earlier that the "Way to Eden" songs (mostly) would be included, but what about things like the lounge music from a couple of early episodes, Uhura's singing and Spock's lyre playing from "Charlie X," "Beyond Antares," the harpsichord music from "Squire of Gothos," and the Brahms paraphrase from "Requiem for Methuselah?"
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Old September 24 2012, 06:18 PM   #150
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I suspect it's on there. If so, even better.
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