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Re: Just read The Final Reflection
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Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Includes purchasing links for Only Superhuman, on sale now! Updated 12/30/12 with annotations for the novel. Written Worlds -- My blog |
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Re: Just read The Final Reflection
And the QuchHa' aren't fusions, as we understand it - they're still pure blooded Klingons. Just altered with human DNA. That doesn't change their parentage or anything like that.
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Location: Des Moines, IA
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Re: Just read The Final Reflection
His stories in the "Liavek" shared-world are excellent. His RPG gaming materials are excellent (not just The Klingons). "Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues" for Paranoia is one of THE best pieces of RPG material ever written.
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)
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Re: Just read The Final Reflection
But it's definitely wrong to equate Ford's fusions (wasn't that a make of car?) with the QuchHa'. Yes, they have one thing in common -- explaining the smooth foreheads via an infusion of human DNA -- but the important stuff, the history of how and why it happened and its meaning and impact within Klingon society, is all completely different. "Fusion" is a term that has a specific cultural, historic, and functional significance within Ford's Klingon society, and you can't divorce the label from that broader context and pretend it's only about the genetics.
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Re: Just read The Final Reflection
That said, The Final Reflection is easily my one of my favorites, a true classic that I think holds up even now despite the inconsitencies with the direction TNG went regarding the Klingons. Whenever I read a reference to the book in a more modern Trek novel such as A Singular Destiny I always smile. |
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Location: Edinburgh
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I'd really recommend reading Fredric Jameson's Archaeologies of the Future, it helps place books like TFR in their late Modernist context. |
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Re: Just read The Final Reflection
Which is kind of funny, because:
Ford even used a character from TAS! That's a measure of how deeply immersed in Trek lore he got, for this book.
30 years later, this remains one of my all-time favorite books. |
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Re: Just read The Final Reflection
Subtle but important difference. I like how TFR reflects the Klingons of their day in parallel with the Soviet Union analogy that was the basis for the TOS portrayal of them. The continuum starts with Imperial Russia (Enterprise-era), goes to rigid Soviet-style statism (TOS) then back to something more like pre-Soviet Russia (sometime before ST VI). |
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