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Old September 17 2012, 03:37 PM   #136
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Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette)

Since The Light Works is a Maya shop that would be my first guess.
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Old September 18 2012, 03:09 AM   #137
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I'm glad Phase II went through with the refit concept, I was disappointed when it was reported they were going to listen to the detractors and stick with the original design (though I like the changes they've made to the refit since they first unveiled the concept). This is part of what is great about Phase II: They go to the utmost lengths to strive for authenticity, but aren't afraid to go in new directions and push the boundaries some of us have erected around Star Trek, be it in story or imagery.

Cawley will be missed, but I look forward to the new Kirk.
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Old September 18 2012, 03:13 AM   #138
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I take issue with calling all those who recommended against going with a refit Enterprise "detractors".
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Old September 18 2012, 10:30 AM   #139
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Back to the subject of Arex, what tools were used to create him and "insert" him into the shot? Maya, LightWave, After Effects...Poser? (Just kidding about that last one. I know that's a "dirty word" in high-end CG circles.)

Sincerely,

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We used Maya and ZBrush for the model, Fusion for compositing.

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Old September 20 2012, 12:00 AM   #140
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And Tobias is a genius. Jus sayin......

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Old September 20 2012, 01:15 PM   #141
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I assume that Tobias is the person responsible for bringing Arex to life?

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Old September 20 2012, 03:23 PM   #142
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George Lazenby's 007 is highly underrated.
No argument here. He also had just about the best movie in the series.
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Old September 21 2012, 03:23 AM   #143
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I take issue with calling all those who recommended against going with a refit Enterprise "detractors".
I meant no offense nor any bad implications in my use of the term, I just meant to neutrally refer to those who did not agree with the decision, whose opinion I respect. Perhaps objectors would be more suitable? I must confess my vocabulary is feeling a bit rusty lately.
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Old September 21 2012, 03:38 AM   #144
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I take issue with calling all those who recommended against going with a refit Enterprise "detractors".
I meant no offense nor any bad implications in my use of the term, I just meant to neutrally refer to those who did not agree with the decision, whose opinion I respect. Perhaps objectors would be more suitable? I must confess my vocabulary is feeling a bit rusty lately.
A detractor of something tries to discredit it or tarnish its reputation, so that revision is appreciated.
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Old October 26 2014, 08:52 PM   #145
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Brian Gross shows a lot of promise. I think he'll be good.

But Drake was a pirate, not an explorer.
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Old October 26 2014, 09:44 PM   #146
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He was the second Captain to circumnavigate the Earth by sea, apparently. Would that make him enough of an explorer for you?
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Old October 26 2014, 09:49 PM   #147
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He was the second Captain to circumnavigate the Earth by sea, apparently. Would that make him enough of an explorer for you?
No, because he did so as part of a piracy mission and Magellan had already accomplished it.
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Old October 27 2014, 01:06 AM   #148
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He was the second Captain to circumnavigate the Earth by sea, apparently. Would that make him enough of an explorer for you?
No, because he did so as part of a piracy mission and Magellan had already accomplished it.
Strictly speaking, Magellan died and Elcano completed the mission, but I see your point in that regard.

Btw: he did so as part of a privateer mission, which - while technically merely sanctioned piracy of course - was apparently considered a mandated exploratory expedition by Queen Elizabeth I, so not "just" piracy. And the result was still a circumnavigation of the world. If my (admittedly brief) researches are accurate, Magellan was also working with a similar basic premise (go on said expedition to advance interests of sovereign nation) so you could possibly argue that the reason either went on those missions was irrelevant to both's status as "explorers". Bent obviously this is all A) a matter of opinion and B) irrelevant to this thread, so I'll leave that there.

In any case, the question of whether he belongs in Kirk's dialogue is an interesting one. Technically speaking, Kirk's romanticising every name he's using, so whether you accept Drake as an explorer or not in the historical sense, romanticised history does, in fact, treat him as such. I find the names rather apt. There were other historical names that could have popped up - Columbus and Cook perhaps, if we're going with romanticised history - but yeah. Good speech. Nice "Archer" reference. The entire thing's essentially a giant dialogue piece but it showcases Mr Gross very well.

Anyway, I should go back to sleep. Thanks for the discussion.
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Old October 27 2014, 01:09 AM   #149
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Sure. Sorry to contribute to the scourge of topic drift.
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Old October 27 2014, 06:48 PM   #150
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Sure. Sorry to contribute to the scourge of topic drift.
The vignette served a number of purposes for us.

It was heavy on dialog for Brian Gross--to showcase our new Kirk actor.

It had originally been conceived of a sa epilogue follow-up vignette to "Blood and Fire"--with a memorial service for the late Lieutenant Alex Freeman. In the end, we decided to make reference not only to a number of Phase II characters who had perished in recent episodes, but it also allowed us to acknowlege, by name, a number of important New Voyages/Phase II production crew members who had recently passed away. (It was a way for us to recognize our own fallen family members, and was cathartic for us.)

It was also a way of relaunching not only our re-fit Enterprise, but of relaunching our series, too. It wasa shot-for-shot, note-for-note copy of the Enterprise launch scene from The Wrath of Khan--just for the un of it.

My script notes included a number of observations. Here are a couple of them:

The Longfellow's poem that is the centerpiece of the speech is misquoted.

It all seems a little flowery--more like something Picard would rattle off. My sense is Kirk didn't become such an eloquent orator until the movie era.

If I were attending a memorial service for a fallen comrade, I might be upset/disappointed that the service changed from commemorating the fallen to a "let's go get 'em and explore, boys and girls," "Saint Crispin's Day" speech. I'd want attention to stay on the fallen--who quickly get lost in the speech.

When Kirk gets a boring patrol ssignment, he seems to be arguing "But you can't do that! Didn't you hear that I just gave a big flowery speech?"

Writer Dave Galanter (author of a dozen or so professional Trek novels) gets the credit (or the blame) for the "Boldly Going" script.

Lastly, I note that the U.S.S. Drake was mentioned in the TNG episode "Arsenal of Freedom." Warranted or not, Drake seems to have been a name that endures even into the 24th century. (Maybe a diferent Drake--not Sir Francis?)
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