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Old August 3 2012, 05:30 PM   #31
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What's your cutoff for a long gap?
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Old August 3 2012, 05:40 PM   #32
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Let's face it; it's being made for an entirely new generation. It would be better if the entire cast were new faces.
Which I'm sure Sony has no doubt wrestled with.

Ultimately I think Dan is the "heart" of Ghostbusters, not Bill. He's the one that is interested in the paranormal, he's the driving force behind the Ghostbusters video game (2009) and he's been keeping the "flame alive" all these years, so to speak.

It makes no sense for Sony to have this great franchise sitting on the shelf year after year collecting dust. So much can be done in the world of Ghostbusting - take a look at the Real Ghostbusters animated series. Like any other long running cartoon of course there are stinkers but there's some gold in there too.

With Dan, Ramis and Hudson still alive and kicking, I can't think of any reason not to include them... I have a feeling that no matter what the third movie is, eventually if there is a new series (and Hollywood rarely plans a blockbuster one-off) we'll have it with all new characters.


For the record, I'd like to add that I was always in support of the "Venkman as ghost in GB3" rumors that circulated throughout the 2000s.
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Old August 3 2012, 06:36 PM   #33
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The problem always to me is Ghostbusters never really became a franchise. There is a long list of films with a single sequel. Can you imagine doing another 20 plus years later?

They never established a format for an ongoing series. The second was mostly a rehash of the first. Are all this time would all 4 guys be living in that firehouse together?! Would the world still be skeptical about the existence of ghosts?

The best way to do it is that Venkman's dream came true. After all these years towns across the country have their own Ghostbusters franchise. With the original guys millionaires. Venkman is kind of a Steve Jobs figure. Maybe there is in fighting among the guys of who really deserves credit. The studio would love this because it would be an easy way to add new characters and endlessly continue the series. It might also be something Bill Murray would agree to because it would different from the other films.

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Old August 3 2012, 06:37 PM   #34
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The truth is we don't need a Ghostbusters III anymore than we need a Galaxy Quest II. Sometimes a standalone works best standing alone.
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Old August 3 2012, 06:59 PM   #35
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The problem always to me is Ghostbusters never really became a franchise. There is a long list of films with a single sequel. Can you imagine doing another 20 plus years later?
There have been comic books, video games, two cartoon series (Real and Extreme), and I think it still has strong public awareness.
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Old August 3 2012, 07:00 PM   #36
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The problem always to me is Ghostbusters never really became a franchise. There is a long list of films with a single sequel. Can you imagine doing another 20 plus years later?

They never established a format for an ongoing series. The second was mostly a rehash of the first. Are all this time would all 4 guys be living in that firehouse together?! Would the world still be skeptical about the existence of ghosts?

The best way to do it is that Venkman's dream came true. After all these towns across the country have their own Ghostbusters franchise. With the original guys millionaires. Venkman is kind of a Steve Jobs figure. Maybe there is in fighting among the guys of who really deserves credit. The studio would love this because it would be an easy way to add new characters and endlessly continue the series. It might also be something Bill Murray would agree to because it would different from the other films.

That'd be interesting. We're also at a different point, culturally, than we were in the 80's where we've explored different viewpoints of things considered "bad guys". When I was a kid watching Peter Cushing battle vampires, I never thought we'd get to a day when vampires were fawned over by teenage girls. And sparkling.

"Wicked" tries to make the Wicked Witch Of The West from the MGM version of "Wizard Of Oz" sympathetic as well. So when you get down to it, the ghosts in "Ghostbusters" are the loved ones of somebody's family. It seems a little horrific that they're being captured and stored in a facility.

It's been decades since I've seen the first one, but was there any mention of helping them "pass into the light" so to speak?

People in today's culture would be less inclined to simply see ghots as "bad guys"....I guess you could imply that these ghosts are basically ethereal zombie types or something, I dunno. Still, I'm surprised we haven't seen a GB type story from the ghost's perspective.
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Old August 3 2012, 07:10 PM   #37
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The problem always to me is Ghostbusters never really became a franchise. There is a long list of films with a single sequel. Can you imagine doing another 20 plus years later?
There have been comic books, video games, two cartoon series (Real and Extreme), and I think it still has strong public awareness.
I know about all that. But those do not have a hook for a years later sequel. Ghostbusters II already did the reunion story. Most of that stuff has the characters the same age and the format of the original film. Unless its a reboot, a sequel could not do that.
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Old August 3 2012, 09:20 PM   #38
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The problem always to me is Ghostbusters never really became a franchise. There is a long list of films with a single sequel. Can you imagine doing another 20 plus years later?

They never established a format for an ongoing series. The second was mostly a rehash of the first. Are all this time would all 4 guys be living in that firehouse together?! Would the world still be skeptical about the existence of ghosts?

The best way to do it is that Venkman's dream came true. After all these towns across the country have their own Ghostbusters franchise. With the original guys millionaires. Venkman is kind of a Steve Jobs figure. Maybe there is in fighting among the guys of who really deserves credit. The studio would love this because it would be an easy way to add new characters and endlessly continue the series. It might also be something Bill Murray would agree to because it would different from the other films.

That'd be interesting. We're also at a different point, culturally, than we were in the 80's where we've explored different viewpoints of things considered "bad guys". When I was a kid watching Peter Cushing battle vampires, I never thought we'd get to a day when vampires were fawned over by teenage girls. And sparkling.

"Wicked" tries to make the Wicked Witch Of The West from the MGM version of "Wizard Of Oz" sympathetic as well. So when you get down to it, the ghosts in "Ghostbusters" are the loved ones of somebody's family. It seems a little horrific that they're being captured and stored in a facility.

It's been decades since I've seen the first one, but was there any mention of helping them "pass into the light" so to speak?

People in today's culture would be less inclined to simply see ghots as "bad guys"....I guess you could imply that these ghosts are basically ethereal zombie types or something, I dunno. Still, I'm surprised we haven't seen a GB type story from the ghost's perspective.
Interesting you mention this - many years ago, White Wolf did a roleplaying game series like this, called "Orpheus", which reminded me a lot of Ghostbusters, but more along the lines you mention. Corporate franchises set up around the country dedicated to not capturing ghosts, but helping them ascend. There are different kinds of ghosts, of course, and different player character types as well, each one having a matching NPC ghost type they can most easily "untether" from this world, while having difficulty with others. And there is always the danger about becoming untethered yourself, as these people can astrally project as a part of their training. It's a bit darker than typical Ghostbusters, but maybe that's what the franchise needs - and that would definitely be treading into "reboot" territory.
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Old August 3 2012, 10:33 PM   #39
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he's the driving force behind the Ghostbusters video game (2009)
Not in the slightest. Terminal Reality and Sierra had been working on a proof of concept for a game with Sony since the middle of 2006, and then the test videos from ZootFly (for their own game they were developing) hit YouTube, becoming an immediate hit. They were so popular that Sony and Sierra finally gave the green light to The Video Game entering production. Sony was the driving force behind the game, not Aykroyd.
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He did write or co-write the script for the game's story though did he not? I know that's not the same thing as being "the driving force".
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Old August 3 2012, 11:01 PM   #41
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Has there ever been a case where returning to a franchise after so long has yielded positive results? Godfather 3 and Tron Legacy were both mediocre, and I'm blanking on other examples right now.
Tron: Legacy is a bad example because it was more financially successful and better received than the original.
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Old August 4 2012, 02:58 AM   #42
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He did write or co-write the script for the game's story though did he not? I know that's not the same thing as being "the driving force".
No, he did not. Ramis and Aykroyd are credited as writing the game, but it was written by Terminal Reality staff. They did minor touch-ups. I've shared this link before, but once again, from The New York Times:

New York Times wrote:
Mr. Aykroyd is no gamer, but he was at least as impressed by Terminal Reality’s grasp of the Ghostbusters’ lingo and style as he was by their prowess with special effects. (There have been other Ghostbusters games, but none since the early 1990s.)

“In the beginning they came to me, and I said, ‘I encourage you, go ahead,’ ” he recounted. “They gave me the script. I took it. I rewrote it doing little tiny structural things, mostly bringing back the tone of the original dialogue and the vernacular — the terms, the idiom — but they really had it. Two-thirds of it was there. Then they gave it to Harold. He did the same thing.”

The game is being hawked by Atari as having been written by Mr. Aykroyd and Mr. Ramis, but both men, in addition to the real writers at Terminal Reality, readily acknowledge that is mostly marketing bunk. “They were happy to have our involvement at all,” Mr. Ramis said. “The crassest way I can put it is that they couldn’t have paid us enough to give it the time and attention required to make it as funny as a feature film.”
It's a real crime, honestly, that the people at Terminal Reality were shafted like that. I understand why the game was marketed with Ramis / Aykroyd as the writers (I work in marketing, and I probably would have done the same thing if the decision were in my hands), but it's a real credit to the actual writers that they did as good a job as they did.
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Old August 4 2012, 03:28 AM   #43
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The problem always to me is Ghostbusters never really became a franchise. There is a long list of films with a single sequel. Can you imagine doing another 20 plus years later?
There have been comic books, video games, two cartoon series (Real and Extreme), and I think it still has strong public awareness.
I know about all that. But those do not have a hook for a years later sequel. Ghostbusters II already did the reunion story. Most of that stuff has the characters the same age and the format of the original film. Unless its a reboot, a sequel could not do that.
I think I'm going to become "disenfranchised" because apparently I don't know what the word means as many threads have told me.
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Old August 4 2012, 04:20 AM   #44
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I think I'm going to become "disenfranchised" because apparently I don't know what the word means as many threads have told me.
What I really meant is a film series. I think 3 films is the minimun neded to be a true full fledged series. There a number of movies with a single sequel that I doubt anyone would consider a film franchise, series, whatever.
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I did not know that about the game story, thanks for posting that Timby.
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