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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 11 2012, 09:15 PM   #91
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Old September 12 2012, 06:04 PM   #92
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Canon or not, it's absolutely dreadful and easily the worst Star Trek movie. Wasn't Shatner involved in writing it in some way?
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Old September 12 2012, 06:25 PM   #93
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Wasn't Shatner involved in writing it in some way?
Yes, he has story credit along with Harve Bennett and David Loughery. And as the director, he was responsible for approving every creative decision and shaping the script.
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Old September 12 2012, 06:49 PM   #94
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Yes, he has story credit along with Harve Bennett and David Loughery. And as the director, he was responsible for approving every creative decision and shaping the script.
Well, doesn't that just explain everything?
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Old September 12 2012, 06:50 PM   #95
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Wasn't Shatner involved in writing it in some way?
Yes, he has story credit along with Harve Bennett and David Loughery. And as the director, he was responsible for approving every creative decision and shaping the script.
Yeah giving Shatner control of a film only ever turns out bad - Fire Serpent being a prominent example.
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Old September 12 2012, 08:35 PM   #96
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Canon or not, it's absolutely dreadful and easily the worst Star Trek movie. Wasn't Shatner involved in writing it in some way?
The Final Frontier has earned it's reputation as a bad movie with some nice character moments, but it has company because Insurrection and Nemesis are every bit as dreadful.
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Old September 12 2012, 08:39 PM   #97
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Canon or not, it's absolutely dreadful and easily the worst Star Trek movie. Wasn't Shatner involved in writing it in some way?
The Final Frontier has earned it's reputation as a bad movie with some nice character moments, but it has company because Insurrection and Nemesis are every bit as dreadful.
I haven't seen Nemesis, but no way in hell is Insurrection (which is far from the best Trek film) as bad as TFF.
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Old September 12 2012, 08:45 PM   #98
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Canon or not, it's absolutely dreadful and easily the worst Star Trek movie. Wasn't Shatner involved in writing it in some way?
The Final Frontier has earned it's reputation as a bad movie with some nice character moments, but it has company because Insurrection and Nemesis are every bit as dreadful.
I haven't seen Nemesis, but no way in hell is Insurrection (which is far from the best Trek film) as bad as TFF.
I'm a huge TNG fan, but I'd rather scoop out my eyes with a rusty spoon than watch Insurrection again.
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Old September 12 2012, 08:50 PM   #99
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I'm a huge TNG fan, but I'd rather scoop out my eyes with a rusty spoon than watch Insurrection again.
I adore TNG, but the Generations movie is responsible for single-handedly destroying my interest in Star Trek for 15 years, so I never bothered to see any of the subsequent movies until the Abrams Star Trek movie in '09. I watched Insurrection the other day, not sure what to expect.

Like I said, it certainly isn't the best, and parts of it were ridiculous (some very out-of-character moments for Data among them), but I didn't hate it.
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I'm a huge TNG fan, but I'd rather scoop out my eyes with a rusty spoon than watch Insurrection again.
I adore TNG, but the Generations movie is responsible for single-handedly destroying my interest in Star Trek for 15 years, so I never bothered to see any of the subsequent movies until the Abrams Star Trek movie in '09. I watched Insurrection the other day, not sure what to expect.

Like I said, it certainly isn't the best, and parts of it were ridiculous (some very out-of-character moments for Data among them), but I didn't hate it.
Different strokes for different folks.

Wait til you watch Nemesis!
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Old September 12 2012, 09:51 PM   #101
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I totally agree. I disregard stupid stuff from star trek and star wars all the time. I just assume there is a deleted scene from beginning of STVI in which Kirk wakes having dreamed STV and say "god that was a stupid dream."
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Old September 12 2012, 10:42 PM   #102
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Wasn't Shatner involved in writing it in some way?
Yes, he has story credit along with Harve Bennett and David Loughery. And as the director, he was responsible for approving every creative decision and shaping the script.
But he had more grandiose ideas for scenes that Paramount nixed because of the budget. Would it have made it a better movie? Maybe. I remember seeing it in the theater and was horrified by the (not so) special effects, another Paramount not giving them the budget instance.
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Old September 12 2012, 11:43 PM   #103
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The special effects were the least of that movie's problems.
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Old September 12 2012, 11:44 PM   #104
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Paramount shot itself in the foot with TFF. Shatner wanted Connery. But Connery couldn't do it because he was involved in The Last Crusade. Which happened to be a Paramount Picture. And because Connery wasn't cast, they argued there was less box office draw, so they cut the budget. And then they released TFF against pretty hyped films. Such as Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

I think Paramount actually wanted TFF to bomb. They did it again with Nemesis. Almost every failure of both films can be attributed to Paramount fucking things up.
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I think Paramount actually wanted TFF to bomb.
This doesn't make any sense.

Probably closer to the truth is that they figured that an Indy film (ha ha) was a better return on their investment. (Full disclosure, though: I don't know the details of how much Paramount invested in each film. However, the return was certainly many times better on Last Crusade than on TFF, with respect to overall investment.) Moreover, while TFF was a box office disappointment, it was hardly a box office failure.
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